From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Per Starback Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Faces in plain text files Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:42:04 +0100 Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200212041042.gB4Ag4W19074@tempus.ling.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1038998621 16586 80.91.224.249 (4 Dec 2002 10:43:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JWyw-0004Ez-00 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:42:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18JX0h-0001Oa-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 05:44:07 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18JWzn-0000XH-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 05:43:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18JWzk-0000WE-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 05:43:10 -0500 Original-Received: from numerus.ling.uu.se ([130.238.78.148]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18JWzj-0007rt-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 05:43:07 -0500 Original-Received: from tempus.ling.uu.se (IDENT:GBVrdd/fWRtuV1tEgvT5jabHsLuajzGa@tempus.ling.UU.SE [130.238.78.146]) by numerus.ling.uu.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB4Ag4003358; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:42:04 +0100 Original-Received: (from starback@localhost) by tempus.ling.uu.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gB4Ag4W19074; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:42:04 +0100 Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:4002 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:4002 In GNU Emacs 21.2.1 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars), (but also in in pretest 21.2.92) $ emacs -q C-x C-f /tmp/newtextfile RET T o SPC M-g b b o l d l y M-g d SPC g o . . . C-x C-s This will save a plain text file with the text "To boldly go..." without ever warning me that the face information won't be saved. I'm pretty sure many new users who aren't very sure about what can and can't be in plain text file will expect that the information that "boldly" should be bold will be in that file somehow. The M-g functions are in the menus as well, which makes them especially accessible for new users. Now users may painstakingly add lots of markup by hand which then is lost, so this is surely not good. I don't know what to do about it though. * Maybe it would be enough just to not put facemenu functions in the menu (except when editing enriched text)? * Maybe they don't need to be accessible at all except when editing enriched text? * Maybe emacs shouldn't tell you about this until you try to save the text, and then tell you that you need enriched text to save that information? (But then it must know what changes are made by hand, so this questions isn't triggered by automatic face changes.)