From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bold by moving pixels problem Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:34 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <20021120220834.GC29543@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037830237 10190 80.91.224.249 (20 Nov 2002 22:10:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Ed3H-0002dk-00 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:10:31 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18Ed6f-0001tD-00 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:14:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ed25-00076J-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:09:17 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18Ed1W-0006g6-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18Ed1R-0006dx-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:41 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ed1R-0006dG-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:37 -0500 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ed1O-0000dO-00; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:08:34 -0500 Original-To: "Robert J. Chassell" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9584 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9584 On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 01:09:10PM +0000, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > Did you install the patch in which bold is created by duplicating a > glyph, but moving over a pixel? Yes > The change does not look too bad with the plain vanilla instance, > however, there are three problems with the consequences of the change > for instances of emacs started with my .emacs file: > > * the new bold creation technique fills in letters such as `m' so > that they become unreadable rectangles Yes, that happens with the font I use too; however, as I said in my original post, it actually doesn't seem to make much difference to readability. [I'm not entirely sure _why_ it doesn't make a diffence -- I suppose that the little blob is close enough to an `m' and there's enough context that my brain can fill in the details. It also helps I suppose that boldface typically only occurs in short stretches of text, not whole buffers. In any case, I simply don't notice it at all, unless I explicitly look to see.] > That is to say, when I reset the value of `mode-line-buffer-identification' > so its face is :weight normal rather than :weight bold, that change is only > temporary. ... > * I do not know how to set the value that is associated with > (face (:weight bold) ... > in my .emacs. As far as I know, there is no way to universally tweak face attributes. If the only thing that concerns you is the `synthesized bold,' I suppose a variable could be added to specifically inhibit this behavior. However, some `real' bold fonts actually have this same problem -- characters like `m' can be only vague blobs, with the vertical strokes undifferentiated. Perhaps in such a case, people would like to disable even `real' bold-face. So maybe it would be better to add a more general feature that could also make such a decision based on the actual font rather than universally. [Another case might be fonts that don't have italic -- some people might like to e.g. display an underline instead in this case] I'm not sure how such feature should look though. > The `m' in the word `emacs' becomes unreadable. You might think about just trying it for a while, and seeing if you stop noticing... Thanks, -Miles -- P.S. All information contained in the above letter is false, for reasons of military security.