From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk version getting closer Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:16 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <20021115173316.GA12928@gnu.org> References: <200211071936.gA7JaBMU001860@stubby.bodenonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037384449 5532 80.91.224.249 (15 Nov 2002 18:20:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Cl5D-0001R4-00 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:20:47 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18ClIC-0005wA-00 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:34:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Cl25-0007TF-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:17:33 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CkLH-0002wu-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CkLF-0002wc-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:18 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CkLF-0002wU-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:17 -0500 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18CkLE-0003fb-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:33:16 -0500 Original-To: David Masterson Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9460 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9460 On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 08:36:44AM -0800, David Masterson wrote: > > I like the current method, so I hope any change is completely > > optional (and certainly I'd like to use a GTK toolkit version of > > emacs). > > Can you be a little more precise as to why you like the current > method? Because (1) I like having the tooltips, and (2) I don't find them annoying, and (3) I _do_ find having to use an explicit command to get tooltips annoying. Note that (2) is something that depends a lot on the particular parameters (popup delay etc): some programs (the enlightenment window manager is a good example) have tooltips that drive me bonkers, but emacs seems to have done things right. > From another of your messages, my guess is that you don't use > the menu directly, you just use it as documentation. I `use them as documentation' in the sense that I use them to help me remember rarely used commands (or commands with particularly wierd bindings). Of course I don't look at the menu and then hit the key (that would be a bit silly) -- I just select the menu entry. The main difference I think is that I use the menus occasionally, rather than for every command (which I've seen novice users do, even when I'm pretty sure they know the key-binding; I guess they're just used to it). > If so, then having the tooltips popup on their own makes sense. However, > if you were going to use the menu, I would think the tooltip popping up > might get in the way. It would be nice to have something besides conjecture. Has anyone heard any complaints about menu tooltips being annoying? > Obviously, you could turn off the tooltips all together, but having a > "What's this?" command might be a little more flexible. They seem orthogonal, actually... -Miles -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come. --Nietzsche