From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jon Cast Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: No calc in pretest? Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:07:49 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200207052307.g65N7nM29854@d-ip-129-15-78-125.cs.ou.edu> References: <5xsn2xevyy.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1025910559 16301 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2002 23:09:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org, pot@gnu.org, eliz@is.elta.co.il, burton@openprivacy.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17QcCU-0004Eo-00 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:09:18 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17QcJB-0004LU-00 for ; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:16:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17QcCI-0005te-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:09:06 -0400 Original-Received: from d-ip-129-15-78-125.cs.ou.edu ([129.15.78.125]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17QcBR-0004xc-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:08:13 -0400 Original-Received: from ou.edu (jcast@localhost) by d-ip-129-15-78-125.cs.ou.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g65N7nM29854; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:07:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: d-ip-129-15-78-125.cs.ou.edu: jcast owned process doing -bs Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: Message from storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) of "Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:55:01 +0200." <5xsn2xevyy.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:5537 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:5537 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) wrote: > Jon Cast writes: > > I assume by ``consistent'' you mean ``roughly indicating the > > feature set by the major/minor version number''? In other words, > > interpret a major/minor pair as indicating a feature set, and > > assign each release the major/minor pair indicating its feature > > set most closely. With that meaning, I think a coherent argument > > could be made that we should be conservative, and assign each > > release the largest major/minor pair indicating a feature set > > /completely containing/ the feature set of the release. That > > would dictate giving CVS versions the minor number of the > > preceding release. > I simply don't follow... I rather expected that. (I wasn't sure I followed it myself, but I figured I'd try it.) > The CVS version is working *towards* the next release, so it should > have the version number of the release it is going to be eventually. I agree, because of the argument you give below. > > For a concrete example, suppose in Emacs 21.5 customize options > > and groups get a new :file keyword giving a file name to store the > > option's setting in. (I.e., Tramp could add :file ".tramp" to the > > tramp defgroup, and Tramp's settings would be stored in ~/.tramp.) > > Suppose this option were added on 2002 October 23. Now, assume > > someone is running CVS Emacs as of 2002 October 22 (version > > 21.5.-99.3). He installs a third-party package you've released, > > which wants to know if :file is supported, and use it if it is. > > So, your package tests emacs-minor-version, and determines it is > > 5. Conclusion: customize supports :file. Reality: customize > > doesn't support :file. Not good. > That's not a valid argument IMHO! > People using the CVS emacs version should be expecting that things > will break from time to time if they don't update regularly. That's probably true. > We cannot and should not be backwards compatible with "yesterday's > CVS", and there is no reason to be able to differentiate! You may well be right, and I hereby abandon the idea of giving CVS the minor version number of the preceding release. > -- > Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk Jon Cast