From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021663827 26738 127.0.0.1 (17 May 2002 19:30:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE, mlang@delysid.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 178nQp-0006x9-00 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:30:27 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 178ndS-0001qQ-00 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 21:43:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178nQz-0003MS-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:30:37 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178nP6-00030W-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 15:28:41 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g4HJSdk10317; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g4HJSdw20390; Fri, 17 May 2002 13:28:39 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: eliz@is.elta.co.il In-Reply-To: <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4062 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4062 IMHO, the tutorial needs to be reworked, now that basic cursor motion is no longer a mystery for novices. So the "BASIC CURSOR CONTROL" section should be a lot shorter than it is now. It should just tell that cursor motion keys ``work as usual'', and show the keyboard equivalents of the editing keys (C-n for , C-f for , etc.), telling the new users they are advised to learn them because those keys allow for faster typing. I have doubts about this change. What I think we don't need is to explain, demonstrate, and drill the user in basic cursor motion. Drilling them is what teaches them to use C-f rather than an arrow key. So maybe it is still worth while to drill them. too much. Some ideas for things to add: - Options menu and Customize - Frames - Region and the mark - Command history in the minibuffer - M-x compile and M-x grep The region seems like the most important one to add. The others don't seem basic enough.