From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Insert Euro symbol Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200205061932.g46JWUU02242@aztec.santafe.edu> References: <87elgue23x.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <8296-Fri03May2002092555+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <87g019a4mz.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87helojvjx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200205050534.g455YUP01610@aztec.santafe.edu> <200205060624.g466OSX01970@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020736851 3249 127.0.0.1 (7 May 2002 02:00:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 02:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, miles@gnu.org, eliz@is.elta.co.il, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 174uHb-0000qI-00 for ; Tue, 07 May 2002 04:00:51 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 174uP1-0007KI-00 for ; Tue, 07 May 2002 04:08:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 174snZ-0008UL-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 20:25:45 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 174oDq-0000FP-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 15:32:34 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g46JWUk24584; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g46JWUU02242; Mon, 6 May 2002 13:32:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3651 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3651 > For the C-x 8 case, it seems convenient that people can use either > C-x 8 ' e or C-x 8 e ' to insert the same character. This would be > an argument in favor of a new input method. > > I don't exactly follow. It is an argument in favor of which > new input method? To do what? You suggested to change C-x 8 such that it reads a single key sequence using an existing "secondary" input method. Then people can use input method A for the normal case and use C-x 8 (or another key) to insert rarely used characters with input method B. I like this suggestion. Now I know what you're referring to. The expression "new input method" suggested something different. I am not the one who originated the idea, I only said I liked it. I'm only making a very minor proposal: while people should be able to choose any input method for C-x 8, it might be nice to create a new input method that's specially designed for C-x 8. I see your point, and it would require zero additional change to permit input methods that were intended for use only in C-x 8. But I tend to think they won't be useful, because it won't be worth learning a different input method just for use within C-x 8. The whole idea here is that you put an input method on C-x 8 to use it "occasionally." People don't want to learn a lot more in order to do something occasionally. Now, if there could be a systematic simplification, such as "You don't need to type ., after C-x 8", that could be worth while because the amount one needs to remember is small.