From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bindings reserved for users Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:45:52 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200204261545.g3QFjrk29922@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <8f.1b0ba8cd.29facc94@aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019838545 24207 127.0.0.1 (26 Apr 2002 16:29:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE, eliz@is.elta.co.il Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 1718an-0006IK-00 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:29:05 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1718dW-0004xc-00 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:31:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1717xM-0007iU-00; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:48:20 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1717v4-0007Wc-00; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:45:58 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3QFjrk29922; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:45:53 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: PPAATT@aol.com Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3305 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3305 > > > C-h i m emacs RET m keymaps RET > ... > > The experience until now is that > > non-ASCII letters are never used > > by major modes or minor modes, > > so we [haven't needed] to decide > > whether they should be reserved for the user or not. > > Curious. I can make sense of the RMS English this way, > thank you ... except I see you didn't write exactly this. > Where I write [] brackets, you actually wrote "we don't > need" to decide? I don't care about the distinction. I think my point was clear enough. > What first drew my attention here was me failing to find > any commonly available shifted key left reserved > for the user by GNU Emacs. That's because you misunderstood the doc. `E' is a letter so C-c E is reserved for the user. Or I misunderstand what you mean by "available shifted key". > I think [ C-h i m emacs RET m keymaps RET ] tells me > Emacs reserves for my use only the single keys > F5 thru F9: no single key that I can hit without looking. Indeed. > If M-n M-o M-p are not candidates to be reserved for the > user, how about the other single keys not bound by > Emacs 20.7.1 by default i.e. > C-` C-= C-; C-' C-, C-. Feel free to use them (note that they most likely won't be available (or only painfully which would defeat the purpose) in `emacs -nw'). But of course since they are not reserved for your use, you might some day find that some mode uses them (for example X-Symbol uses C-=). You can also use M-o which seems to be pretty much completely unused (contrary to M-p and M-n which are very often used). Many people use non-reserved key bindings all the time. Stefan