From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:49:35 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: <1sq077-e9o.ln1@news.eternal-september.org> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> <873a03pmgn.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d3z7pfwc.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <878w9v1k1v.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87r5nmo11z.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268629255 19750 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 05:00:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:00:55 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 06:00:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr2Py-0007jr-QC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:00:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59519 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr2Py-0003pE-70 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:00:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr2Pq-0003p9-7Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:00:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34584 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nr2Pj-0003oz-Ba for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:00:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr2Pe-0006zg-0G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:00:27 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:45016) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr2Pd-0006za-Pn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:00:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr2Pb-0007c9-Op for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:00:19 +0100 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:00:19 +0100 Original-Received: from rileyrgdev by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:00:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121986 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Chong Yidong writes: >>>> They may, but I suspect they can't actually say why... >>> >>> http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/~dixa/papers/scrollbar/ >> http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/~dixa/papers/scrollbar/scrollbar2.html > > That's pretty flimsy... > > -Miles Not really in that it makes perfect sense. Most keyboard jockeys use a scroll bar to indicate relative positioning with most apps, and it being on the right IS out of the way and it being on the right is more consistent with the HUGE majority of other desktop applications. If you turn it around, I can think of no compelling reason to have it on the left. If I were to use a scroll bar it would be with the mouse and guess where my idle mouse pointer usually is ..... lurking around out of harms way on the ... right of the screen ie closed to where most people put their scroll bar. Emacs doesn't always have to be counter intuitive to non hardcore terminal users and Emacs nOObs ...