bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

[Joshua Kordani]

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attempt to C-x C-f to /ftp:user@url, results in error message
ange-ftp-run-real-handler symbol not defined.

C-h f on that symbol returns

ange-ftp-run-real-handler is an alias for `tramp-run-real-handler',
which is not defined. Please make a bug report.


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bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

[Glenn Morris]

Joshua Kordani wrote:

> attempt to C-x C-f to /ftp:user@url, results in error message
> ange-ftp-run-real-handler symbol not defined.
>
> C-h f on that symbol returns
>
> ange-ftp-run-real-handler is an alias for `tramp-run-real-handler',
> which is not defined. Please make a bug report.

I can't reproduce this.
tramp-run-real-handler is autoloaded, and compiled into the Emacs
executable, so it's not clear how this could happen.

What does

emacs -Q
C-h f tramp-run-real-handler RET

say for you?

What does

emacs -Q -l ange-ftp
C-h f ange-ftp-run-real-handler

say?

bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

[Joshua Kordani]

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when I fire up a new instance of emacs -Q, tramp run real handler is 
defined in tramp.el,
when I ruen -Q -l ange-ftp, then ange-ftp-run... is an alias.

when i restart emacs no args, tramp run real handler is defined, 
ange-run is not, but other ange-ftp "symbols"? are


On 8/7/13 12:04 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:
> Joshua Kordani wrote:
>
>> attempt to C-x C-f to /ftp:user@url, results in error message
>> ange-ftp-run-real-handler symbol not defined.
>>
>> C-h f on that symbol returns
>>
>> ange-ftp-run-real-handler is an alias for `tramp-run-real-handler',
>> which is not defined. Please make a bug report.
> I can't reproduce this.
> tramp-run-real-handler is autoloaded, and compiled into the Emacs
> executable, so it's not clear how this could happen.
>
> What does
>
> emacs -Q
> C-h f tramp-run-real-handler RET
>
> say for you?
>
> What does
>
> emacs -Q -l ange-ftp
> C-h f ange-ftp-run-real-handler
>
> say?

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Joshua Kordani
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bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

[Glenn Morris]

Joshua Kordani wrote:

> when I fire up a new instance of emacs -Q, tramp run real handler is
> defined in tramp.el,
> when I ruen -Q -l ange-ftp, then ange-ftp-run... is an alias.
>
> when i restart emacs no args, tramp run real handler is defined,
> ange-run is not, but other ange-ftp "symbols"? are

This all sounds perfectly normally. Please show _exactly_ what

emacs -Q -l ange-ftp
C-h f ange-ftp-run-real-handler RET

returns.

Does your initial problem occur even if you start emacs with `emacs -Q'?

bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

[Joshua Kordani]

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My mistake, responses inline
On 8/7/13 12:28 PM, Glenn Morris wrote
> This all sounds perfectly normally. Please show _exactly_ what
>
> emacs -Q -l ange-ftp
> C-h f ange-ftp-run-real-handler RET
>
> returns.
ange-ftp-run-real-handler is an alias for `tramp-run-real-handler' in
`ange-ftp.el'.

(ange-ftp-run-real-handler OPERATION ARGS)

Invoke normal file name handler for OPERATION.
First arg specifies the OPERATION, second arg is a list of arguments to
pass to the OPERATION.


> Does your initial problem occur even if you start emacs with `emacs -Q'?

No, but a different problem occurs, that seems to suggest that ange-ftp 
is not being used to resolve C-x C-f /ftp:username@host: <TAB>, but 
instead is using the default tramp handler.  Does that answer your question?

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Joshua Kordani
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bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

[Glenn Morris]

Joshua Kordani wrote:

>> Does your initial problem occur even if you start emacs with `emacs -Q'?
>
> No,

Then it sounds like something in your config causes the initial
problem you reported (but I have no idea how it could).

> but a different problem occurs, that seems to suggest that ange-ftp is
> not being used to resolve C-x C-f /ftp:username@host: <TAB>, but
> instead is using the default tramp handler.

How is this "suggested", and how is it a problem?
From the Tramp manual:

`ftp'
     This is not a native TRAMP method.  Instead, it forwards all
     requests to Ange-FTP.

bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

[Joshua Kordani]

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On 8/7/13 12:45 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:
> How is this "suggested", and how is it a problem?
>  From the Tramp manual:
>
> `ftp'
>       This is not a native TRAMP method.  Instead, it forwards all
>       requests to Ange-FTP.
because when I attempt to open a file using the ftp protocol, tramp 
loads, and the ssh handler throws an error about bad hostname ftp, 
instead of being passed to ange-ftp.  this is also the case when I start 
emacs -Q -l ange-ftp.

however, ange-ftp is reachable via emacs with no args, and even though I 
can't seem to get the functionality I want, I don't think this problem 
is worth your time any longer.  Thanks for the quick response though.

-- 
Joshua Kordani
LSA Autonomy


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bug#15043: 24.3; ange-ftp-run-real-handler not defined in v24.3

[Glenn Morris]

Joshua Kordani wrote:

> because when I attempt to open a file using the ftp protocol, tramp
> loads, and the ssh handler throws an error about bad hostname ftp,
> instead of being passed to ange-ftp.  this is also the case when I
> start emacs -Q -l ange-ftp.

For the record, something like

emacs -Q
C-x C-f /ftp:anonymous@host-name:dirname

works fine for me.