From: Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com>
To: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
eller.helmut@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MPS: dangling markers
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 17:14:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1osQTI7Swoo72EJbCzzi4zqVXuC5hSlYEXwLtnal8_pyYL7oRCNSJg20XgBRjffZ344Wj7lwFDc9JSMsQ-3su6uXQ8hYSfYleRn-4GRrykI=@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2tth9213o.fsf@pro2.fritz.box>
On Monday, July 1st, 2024 at 04:22, Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pip Cet pipcet@protonmail.com writes:
>
> > On Sunday, June 30th, 2024 at 19:22, Gerd Möllmann gerd.moellmann@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks! What do youo think about making a patch containing only your
> > > weak hash tables, and leaving the BUF_MARKERS alone for now?
> >
> > I think that's the best way forward. Patch attached.
>
> Could you please send me something from git format-patch? That way I'd
> have commit message and your authorship would also be clear. Or even
> better, if you have the rights could you please commit to the branch?
I'll do that. Please let me know what I got wrong.
> > > That way
> > > igc could support the existing uses of weak hash tables (I remember one
> > > in the CLOS department somehwere), and they would be somewhat tested.
> > > Don't remember if we have unit tests for them.
> >
> > It seems MPS isn't very eager about splatting weak references during
> > ordinary automatic GC, FWIW. What I'm observing with
> >
> > (while t
> > (dotimes (i 10000)
> > (puthash (cons 1 2) (cons 3 4) table))
> > (message "%S" (hash-table-count table))
> > (sit-for 0.1))
> >
> > is that the hash table starts out at 0, grows quickly, resets to
> > count=0 once, then keeps growing and never splats any references after
> > that. It's quite possible this is a bug in my code, of course.
>
> Yes, it's not eagerly splatting. Don't know. Which reminds me that I
> wanted to look if the AWL pool maybe has some paramter that one could
> set, or something else influences that, like the mortality rate of the
> generation chain. Or something completely different.
I debugged this a little, and it turns out that when we alternate between two weak hash tables, splatting works fine. It seems that if MPS receives a SIGSEGV in a segment belonging to a weak hash table, it scans it in "exact" mode, not "weak" mode, in order to continue execution as soon as possible. That's how I read this comment in mps/trace.c:
* If the trace band is EXACT then we scan EXACT. This might prevent
* finalisation messages and may preserve objects pointed to only by weak
* references but tough luck -- the mutator wants to look.
So I don't think this will be a problem in practice...
Pip
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-27 21:01 MPS: dangling markers Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-27 21:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-28 4:14 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-28 16:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 16:47 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-28 16:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 16:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-28 17:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 17:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 3:57 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 14:34 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 14:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 17:09 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:19 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 19:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 21:50 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 22:33 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 4:41 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 6:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 9:51 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 11:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:54 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 13:15 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 19:02 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 19:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 20:15 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 4:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 17:14 ` Pip Cet [this message]
2024-07-01 18:20 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 19:04 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 19:43 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 21:08 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 11:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 18:46 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 22:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-30 5:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 5:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-30 5:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 4:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 5:36 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 17:19 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 18:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-29 18:12 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-29 18:52 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 21:20 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 21:38 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:11 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:27 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 10:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 11:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 11:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 11:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:13 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:28 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 15:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 15:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 15:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 4:07 ` Gerd Möllmann
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