From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to improve the readability of (any) LISP or any highlevel functional language to the level of FORTH ? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:49:38 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1fdef538-9257-4ff6-9f5b-c96883349f07@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com> References: <80ceeca0-1d32-47d1-ba96-feb4d9729c3a@v17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com> <87pqsgk8v9.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294119691 9350 80.91.229.12 (4 Jan 2011 05:41:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 05:41:31 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 04 06:41:27 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZzeA-0001Hr-6A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:41:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43300 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZze9-0007mR-Bv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:41:25 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.lang.functional, comp.lang.lisp, gnu.emacs.help, comp.lang.forth, comp.lang.prolog Original-Lines: 25 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 116.73.35.230 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1294116578 26479 127.0.0.1 (4 Jan 2011 04:49:38 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 04:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com; posting-host=116.73.35.230; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu comp.lang.functional:69097 comp.lang.lisp:297213 gnu.emacs.help:183943 comp.lang.forth:160315 comp.lang.prolog:44029 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:78148 Archived-At: On Jan 3, 6:05=A0pm, Tim Harig wrote: > On 2011-01-03, Didier Verna wrote: > > > Nathan wrote: > > >> Matz himself admitted that ???...Ruby is a bad rip-off of Lisp... But = it > >> is nicer to ordinary people.??? > > > This misconception that you must be exceptionally clever to learn and > > use Lisp really hurts the language and the community. > > What hurts the LISP community far more is the zealotry of its members, > their insistance that LISP is the *only* tool for *every* job, and their > agressiveness in trying to push it off on to everybody else -- whether > everybody else happens want it or not. =A0Whether this is indicitive > of the entire community or simply the result of those most apparent, > I cannot say; but, it leads to the overall impression that the LISP > community is narrowminded and neophobic. =A0Who would want to be part of > such a community? There are more mundane reasons -- like unsuitability of lisp as a distribution platform [See http://www.newartisans.com/about-me.html where John Wiegley explains why he switched from lisp to C++ for his program ledger ]