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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274127 Archived-At: On 06.09.2021 16:52, Arthur Miller wrote: > By the way, how much work would it be to switch C-x and M-x prefixes to C-space and > M-space respectively. That way someone could rebind keys to resemble more of > "modern" key usage (C-o, C-x, C-v etc ). C-z would need rework in terminal. But > generally, if a prefix can be remaped automatically, it would be an easy thing to > start with? These particular prefixes seem too much effort IMHO (but AFAIK Evil users like SPC as prefix, so what do I know). The overall approach, however, is something we have discussed, and yes, we'd need some way for third-party code and the users to specify both prefixes indirectly (so that they in the end can depend on the current profile). Whether it's through a couple of global variables, or through some special (kbd) syntax, or through some other novel method, remains to be worked out.