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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: VOTE: Changing completions-common-part face's default
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:33:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1e1aa5a7-a35b-2ef5-6caf-10e02dd0c6ea@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zhh82d8c.fsf@gmail.com>

On 07.11.2019 12:27, João Távora wrote:

>> I recognize others feel differently, though.
> 
> It seems to be more than "feeling".  Have you asked yourself why the
> whole industry seems to does it differently (i.e. with bold or some
> other contrasting color)?

I'm assuming that's rhetorical. But I have also pointed out how we 
differ from "the whole industry" in other respects, for good or bad.

But there are two questions here: do we highlight common-part by default 
at all, and which color to use.

> I think it's because not all people have your
> spectacular eyesight and not all of them have such great monitors (or
> use them at a more conservative power setting).

I'm always using mine at 50% brightness at most. But never mind.

>> then I would really suggest we use it instead. But if it's not legible
>> for you, e.g. my monitor is unusually high-contrast or whatever, oh
>> well.
> 
> If the proposal is blue4 than my votes changes to "against".  The
> reasoning is that it is counter-productive.  I imagine a new user
> enabling, say, M-x fido-mode in Emacs 27, and asking himself "If they
> were going to choose face for this, why choose this
> near-indistinguishable, vision-straining thing?".

The idea is that one would really need to find out why a given string is 
among the matches very rarely. Maybe once of twice, and they'll simply 
trust the completion engine after that. And for a one-off task, one 
might as well squint a little.

If the common scenario is different, and we expect that the user will 
look at common-part every time, to figure out what to type next, maybe 
we should discuss why the first-difference face is not enough for that.

> There's no space
> there to answer "oh, you see, some people didn't like highlighting at
> all, mostly in other matching styles you're not going to use, so we
> chose this crappy middle-of-road compromise.  Also we don't care much
> for your old-man's eyesight."

Vice versa, one might ask why we added this in-your-face highlighting 
why simply looks like a solid blue (or aquamarine) column in the 
Completions buffer. And we'll have to answer that, well, there exists a 
recently added non-default completion style where this highlighting is 
really useful.

> João
> 
> PS: If only there was a way to make flex use another highlighting...

BTW, speaking of backward compatibility, some of the changes in face 
placement you proposed would break company-capf's implementation of the 
'match' action.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-11-07 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-27  1:58 BIKESHED: completion faces Stefan Monnier
2019-10-27 11:34 ` João Távora
2019-10-27 21:45 ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-28  0:43   ` João Távora
2019-10-28 22:29     ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-28 23:31       ` João Távora
2019-10-29 21:53         ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-29 22:09           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-29 22:57           ` João Távora
2019-10-29  1:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-29 21:58         ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-29 22:59           ` João Távora
2019-10-29 23:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-10-30  1:49   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-03 21:53     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-03 23:30       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-04 16:30         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-04 18:31           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-04 22:52           ` João Távora
2019-11-04 23:25             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-05 11:10               ` João Távora
2019-11-05 14:57                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-05 15:44                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-05 16:30                     ` João Távora
2019-11-05 21:27                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-05 23:06                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-05 22:01                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06  0:18                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-06  8:24                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06 13:42                           ` VOTE: Changing completions-common-part face's default Stefan Monnier
2019-11-06 17:16                             ` João Távora
2019-11-06 17:26                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06 18:10                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-06 22:20                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06 22:42                                     ` João Távora
2019-11-06 22:57                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06 23:14                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-07  8:09                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-07 10:27                                     ` João Távora
2019-11-07 13:27                                       ` Yuri Khan
2019-11-07 13:52                                         ` João Távora
2019-11-07 14:41                                           ` Yuri Khan
2019-11-07 14:57                                             ` João Távora
2019-11-07 16:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-07 16:09                                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-07 14:43                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-07 14:54                                             ` João Távora
2019-11-07 14:33                                       ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2019-11-07 14:44                                         ` João Távora
2019-11-07 14:58                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-07 15:54                                             ` João Távora
2019-11-07 16:57                                               ` Drew Adams
2019-11-08 23:38                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-09  0:24                                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-09  1:53                                                   ` Drew Adams
2019-11-09 21:57                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-09 22:17                                                       ` João Távora
2019-11-09  7:30                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-09 11:42                                                     ` João Távora
2019-11-09 12:04                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-09 13:22                                                         ` João Távora
2019-11-09 16:44                                                     ` Drew Adams
2019-11-07 15:08                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-08 10:15                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-08 19:19                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-08 19:43                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-08 21:42                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-09  6:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-09 15:25                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-09 15:52                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-09 16:17                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-08 20:11                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-08 22:57                                           ` João Távora
2019-11-06 23:12                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-05 16:31                   ` BIKESHED: completion faces João Távora
2019-11-05 22:22                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-05 23:11                       ` João Távora
2019-11-06  8:18                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06  8:53                           ` João Távora
2019-11-06 15:16                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06 15:56                               ` João Távora
2019-11-06 10:25                           ` João Távora
2019-11-06 15:11                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06 15:31                               ` João Távora
2019-11-06 15:43                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06 15:48                                   ` João Távora
2019-11-06 16:01                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-06 16:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-06 21:36                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-07 14:25                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-07 22:40                                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-08  6:43                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-06 16:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-06 16:14                             ` João Távora
2019-11-06  0:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-05 18:36               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-05 18:51                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-05 19:16                   ` João Távora
2019-11-05 19:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-05 21:43                       ` João Távora
2019-11-06 16:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-06 16:26                           ` João Távora
2019-11-06 18:07                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-06 18:14                               ` João Távora
2019-11-06 18:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-06 18:48                                   ` João Távora
2019-11-06 20:51                                   ` Ergus
2019-11-07 14:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-07 14:28                                       ` João Távora
2019-11-07 14:47                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-07 15:00                                           ` João Távora
2019-11-07 15:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-07 16:00                                               ` João Távora
2019-11-07 17:39                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-07 17:53                                                   ` João Távora
2019-11-07 18:16                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-07 18:37                                                       ` João Távora
2019-11-07 21:07                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-07 21:43                                                           ` João Távora
2019-11-08  6:35                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-08 10:15                                                               ` João Távora
2019-11-08 14:02                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-08 15:09                                                                   ` João Távora
2019-11-08 15:33                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-08 16:01                                                                       ` João Távora
2019-11-08 16:16                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-08 16:27                                                                           ` João Távora
2019-11-08 17:05                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-08 17:21                                                                               ` João Távora
2019-11-08 19:06                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-08 22:49                                                                                   ` João Távora
2019-11-09  6:57                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-09 11:20                                                                                       ` João Távora
2019-11-09 11:51                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-09 12:14                                                                                           ` João Távora
2019-11-09 12:19                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-09 13:29                                                                                               ` João Távora
2019-11-09 13:52                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-09 15:31                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-09 18:51                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2019-11-10  9:18                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-14  9:45                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-14 10:40                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-14 14:16                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-14 14:19                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2019-11-14 14:42                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-14 14:49                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2019-11-16 20:10                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-16 23:40                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2019-11-17 17:27                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 17:47                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2019-11-08 12:58                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-08 13:08                                                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-08 14:07                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-06 20:34                               ` Drew Adams
2019-11-06 20:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-05 21:40                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-05 23:02                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-05 18:54                 ` João Távora
2019-11-05 19:07                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-05 21:39                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-05 21:54                     ` João Távora
2019-11-05 21:55                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-05 21:54                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-05 21:58                   ` João Távora
2019-11-05 22:03                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-05 22:07                       ` João Távora

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