From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans BKK Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Helm (and?) or Icicles (possibly using Evil) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1deed1d8-6166-41a4-8f6e-c12601196fab@googlegroups.com> References: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398700233 894 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2014 15:50:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:50:33 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 17:50:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wenow-0001Vq-N6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:50:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44646 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wenow-00074r-5H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:50:18 -0400 X-Received: by 10.58.111.202 with SMTP id ik10mr12892468veb.4.1398699955840; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.97.195 with SMTP id ec3mr22689obb.30.1398699955728; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!ih12no680655qab.1!news-out.google.com!gi6ni629igc.0!nntp.google.com!l13no11668613iga.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: <4cd079bd-9978-422f-9449-51d8fbe76485@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2602:306:334f:a5e0:5cb7:54b4:7312:47e0; posting-account=IUdGewoAAACF9WtA3i8stuVyXNk2FqaH Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2602:306:334f:a5e0:5cb7:54b4:7312:47e0 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:45:55 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:205154 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97420 Archived-At: On Monday, April 28, 2014 9:52:42 AM UTC-4, Michael Heerdegen wrote: >> Your comment that you don't recommend either for emacs noobs - is that because it will stop me learning the stock vanilla ways of completion or simply because of the difficulties inherent in getting to know these complex packages? > I did not want to dissuade from starting with Helm or Icicles, I just don't know if it's a good idea. Depends on your way of learning, probably. Icicles and Helm are quite complex and offer substitutes for diverse tools in Emacs. Learning Emacs that way may let you miss some basic stuff and features of vanilla Emacs. Thanks for clarifying. In another post http://groups.google.com/forum/?pli=1#!topic/gnu.emacs.help/czMrv9Zquks I've outlined how I plan to avoid that potential problem; I'll keep a "vanilla" instance open for comparison to the effects of other packages I'm checking out, and for now I plan to only use Icicles or Helm in the emacs instance "used for exploring source-code, docs, creating my own self-doc-set, etc" As a side note, if anyone knows of significant issues running Evil in conjunction with either Helm or Icicles, I'd appreciate a heads-up on that aspect as well.