From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Re: counter-intuitive key bindings Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:13:02 +0200 Message-ID: <1d7b76ad7d7a123048d2dc2f513f49aa@science.uva.nl> References: <87ejisycqy.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILZeT-0000WF-Qt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:20:17 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ILZeS-0000Vi-98 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:20:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILZeS-0000Vf-4s for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:20:16 -0400 Received: from korteweg.uva.nl ([146.50.98.70]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ILZeR-0002pc-R7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:20:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Leo Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Aug 15, 2007, at 18:57, Leo wrote: > On 2007-08-09 06:05 +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: >>> In this case, I feel there should a consistent definition of key >>> bindings. One excellent example is vc, it is just so easy to >>> remember. >> >> What do you mean with "consistent definition of key bindings". >> >>> I have been an regular user of org, and I have already forgotten that >>> S-up/down does priority change after one month's break. >> >> I have been trying very hard to make the key bindings as logical >> as possible - but there is a huge amount of commands in org, >> and many keys are needed. >> >> That said, the S-up/down for priorities does leas to a couple >> of inconsistencies, in particular between agenda and org-mode buffers. >> >> - Carsten > > I know it is difficult to come up with good key bindings for so many > commands that org-mode has. That's why I gave the example of vc, which > has extremely excellent key bindings. I would never have to learn them > a > second time. I hope someone can come up with something similar for org. Well, this is not really a fair comparison, because vc has maybe 13 commands??? Sure, not too hard to make these stick in your head. Obviously I have been trying to make the best key bindings I can. Besides making them easy to remember you are of course limited by Emacs conventions, and by the wish to avoid 3 keypress bindings for speed. And maybe some compromises because of the historical development, to keep the habits of users. I am certainly open for suggestions. - Carsten > > -- > Leo (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) > > Gnus is one component of the Emacs operating system. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477