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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251541 Archived-At: On 28.05.20 09:08, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 03:21:34 +0200 (CEST) >> Cc: Drew Adams , Emacs Devel >> From: excalamus--- via "Emacs development discussions." >> >> First, I think it oversells the accessibility of the documentation. >> The Emacs documentation is extensive and well written.  However, I >> find it quite difficult to navigate to a concept if that thing isn't a >> function or variable.  I have been a beginner and asked myself, "What >> is a cons cell?".  I found then, as I often still do, that leaving >> Emacs (to use a web browser) yields results fast enough to not use >> Emacs itself.  Ironically, I most often wind up at the gnu.org html >> documentation. > Are you aware of the 'i' command in Info, and using it? Get an error at the top of Info - works only inside Elisp > Because its > purpose is precisely to help in the situations like you describe. For > example, "what is a cons cell?" is immediately answered by typing this > in Info: > > i cons cell RET > > or even > > i cons RET > > Maybe we should have an interactive command that would let users type > the likes of "what is a cons cell" and translate that to the > appropriate Info-index command? Because this extremely useful command > seems to be unknown and under-used. Think that would be helpful.