From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255843 Archived-At: On 16.09.2020 11:58, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. wrote: > The problem is that Emacs developers would have to agree on what that > set of "more modern / friendly defaults" is, which is unlikely to > happen. Again, different people have (very!) different ideas of what > "modern / friendly" is. Cue several more weeks of discussions. > A few examples, in the defaults you suggested: > > - fido-mode: in another thread Eli explained that in his opinion > icomplete's behavior is not intuitive enough for newcomers, and I (and > probably others) agree with what he said It's more intuitive than the absence of any completion hints, which is the current default. We can swap it for a different system when one is available. > - global-auto-revert-mode: I would strongly object to this, having your > editor doing something without asking you for a confirmation is not > something many newcomers would find intuitive It's a feature of many other "modern" editors.