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From: "Mario Castelán Castro" <marioxcc.MT@yandex.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CVE-2017-14482 - Red Hat Customer Portal
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:12:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b3bec6e-d4d5-37a7-ba54-49bd2d8281bd@yandex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <861smzcgx3.fsf@zoho.com>

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On 22/09/17 02:48, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> It would be interesting to see the original
> code that created this vulnerability. I mean,
> so you know what *not* to write... ehem.

That is the problem with nearly all contemporary programs: Instead of
verifying that they are correct; it is verified that they are not
incorrect according to a small set of ways in which a program may be
incorrect. This idea doomed to fail is the foundation of conventional
testing, SMT testing (as in Klee), lint-like tools and manual source
code auditing.

Paraphrasing Dijkstra, all these methods can prove that a program is
incorrect, but almost never (only trivial toy programs) can prove that
it is correct.

Only verifying that programs are correct using formal logic and an
appropriate specification can eliminate software bugs (hardware can
always malfunction, because of ionizing radiation, “metastability” of
flip-flops, because somebody disconnects the power cord, and many other
things).

At present there is limited infrastructure for verified programming, but
it can be done. See e.g.: https://cakeml.org/.

-- 
Do not eat animals; respect them as you respect people.
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-22 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-21 21:51 CVE-2017-14482 - Red Hat Customer Portal ken
2017-09-21 22:03 ` Kaushal Modi
2017-09-21 23:07   ` ken
2017-09-22  7:37     ` Alberto Luaces
2017-09-22  7:48       ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-22 20:12         ` Mario Castelán Castro [this message]
2017-09-22 22:14           ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-24  2:08             ` Mario Castelán Castro
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1063.1506218941.14750.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-09-24  6:47               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-24 13:38                 ` Mario Castelán Castro
2017-09-24 14:42                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-09-24 14:54                     ` tomas
2017-09-26 18:57                       ` Narendra Joshi
2017-09-24 23:06                     ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-25 21:23                       ` Mario Castelán Castro
2017-09-25 21:49                         ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-26  1:43                           ` Mario Castelán Castro
2017-09-26  2:17                             ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-25 21:11                     ` Mario Castelán Castro
2017-09-25 23:58                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-09-26 14:46                         ` Mario Castelán Castro
2017-09-26 23:31                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-09-29 20:21                             ` Mario Castelán Castro
2017-09-29 12:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-29 14:59                             ` dekkzz78
2017-09-29 16:51                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-09-29 17:20                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-29 18:27                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-09-29 19:45                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-29 20:06                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-09-29 23:24                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-29 18:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-24 23:07                   ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-23 10:05           ` Charles A. Roelli
2017-09-23 12:53             ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-09-23 13:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-23 17:18                 ` Glenn Morris
2017-09-23 17:34                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-23 20:50                     ` Yuri Khan
2017-09-24  2:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-24  7:13                         ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-24 18:29                           ` Robert Thorpe
2017-09-29  8:17                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-29 20:28                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-29 23:28                               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-10-03  0:52                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-10-03  1:04                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-29  7:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.1068.1506237251.14750.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-09-24  7:48                           ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-25 21:26                         ` Glenn Morris
2017-09-25 22:02                           ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-25 22:08                           ` Ludwig, Mark
2017-09-26  5:50                             ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-26 13:40                               ` Ludwig, Mark
2017-09-26 17:46                             ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-26 19:00                               ` Ludwig, Mark
2017-09-29 13:23                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-29  9:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-26 18:44                   ` Narendra Joshi
2017-09-26 18:51                     ` Philipp Stephani
     [not found]           ` <mailman.988.1506161159.14750.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-09-24  6:31             ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-22 16:40       ` ken
2017-09-22 19:07         ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-23 20:27     ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]     ` <mailman.1053.1506198486.14750.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-09-24  6:38       ` Emanuel Berg
2017-09-24 17:17         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-09-24 22:38           ` Emanuel Berg
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2017-09-27 10:51 Richard Melville

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