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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:274924 Archived-At: --rbPN0Nv5lI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: <1a0f9230b79d92562323@heytings.org> >> Except that doing this throws the baby out with the bathwater. If some= =20 >> think it looks ugly, it is IMO better to make it look better, instead=20 >> of stopping to use it. Because it's much easier to parse (as a pair)=20 >> than double apostrophes. It's a historical accident that ASCII=20 >> included paired {} () [] <>, but no paired quotation marks. > > It=E2=80=99s a historical accident that the typewriter character set conf= lated=20 > the opening single quote, closing single quote, apostrophe, acute=20 > accent, and single prime. It is also a historical accident that the=20 > grave accent ` was born as a separate spacing character at all =E2=80=94 = and=20 > that is why I, among others, consider it ugly. Both these accidents are= =20 > canonically fixed by Unicode. > The point is not to discuss whether Unicode makes a better distinction=20 between different kinds of quotation marks and apostrophe. It does,=20 obviously. But (1) these characters are difficult to enter on most=20 keyboards, (2) it is not realistic to expect that keyboards will change,=20 as 99.9% users do not need or even understand those subtleties, and word=20 processors already do TRT when they press the " or ' keys, and (3) more=20 importantly, using `foobar' is better than using any of these Unicode=20 characters, because ` and ' are logical quotation marks or markups that=20 can be displayed as any of the actual quotation marks depending on the=20 user preferences. Some will prefer =E2=80=9Bfoobar=E2=80=99, others =E2=80= =98foobar=E2=80=99, others=20 =E2=80=9Ffoobar=E2=80=9D, others =E2=80=9Cfoobar=E2=80=9D, others 'foobar',= and so forth. --rbPN0Nv5lI--