From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: line-move-visual never set to nil? Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:46:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1F7E32D0-7C19-4950-94DB-F6CD33A56EB0@gmail.com> References: <18571.25125.311010.324079@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87od4k1nj5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-506504351; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217191202 11901 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2008 20:40:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, raman@users.sourceforge.net To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 27 22:40:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KND2u-0002Fp-Qg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:40:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57874 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KND20-0004Aw-U2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:39:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KND1v-0004Am-SY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:39:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KND1t-0004A4-CM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:39:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35553 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KND1t-00049x-6m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:39:45 -0400 Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]:33390) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KND1t-0006Bo-2T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:39:45 -0400 Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id l31so127462ugc.48 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.66.239.6 with SMTP id m6mr1532518ugh.26.1217184392676; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?10.0.0.103? ( [62.31.8.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1397216ugc.38.2008.07.27.11.46.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:46:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87od4k1nj5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101593 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-1-506504351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 26 Jul 2008, at 14:57, Chong Yidong wrote: > > It's true, though, that this behavior could be confusing, especially > for > longtime users of Emacs. So maybe we ought to make line-move-visual > default to nil, as before, and leave it to advanced users to change it > to t for their own usage. Especially novice users will be confused by this defaulting to nil. 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