org-latex question

org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

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How do I get a headline to be exported like this?


\section[Effect on staff turnover]{An analysis of the
effect of the revised recruitment policies on staff
turnover at divisional headquarters}


That is, with an extra short-title to be used in Table of Contents and other running heads?

Vikas

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Re: org-latex question

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:

> How do I get a headline to be exported like this?
>
>
> \section[Effect on staff turnover]{An analysis of the
> effect of the revised recruitment policies on staff
> turnover at divisional headquarters}
>
>
> That is, with an extra short-title to be used in Table of Contents and
> other running heads?

See :ALT_TITLE: property.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

> 
>> How do I get a headline to be exported like this?
>> 
>> 
>> \section[Effect on staff turnover]{An analysis of the
>> effect of the revised recruitment policies on staff
>> turnover at divisional headquarters}
>> 
>> 
>> That is, with an extra short-title to be used in Table of Contents and
>> other running heads?
> 
> See :ALT_TITLE: property.
> 

ALT_TITLE seems to work only for those headlines that appear in the Table of Contents. While that is the main purpose, this does not have to be necessarily the case. In the present case, I need it because LaTeX would not accept a footnote to a heading without it.

Vikas

Re: org-latex question

[Marcin Borkowski]

On 2015-04-12, at 10:59, Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> wrote:

>>> How do I get a headline to be exported like this?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \section[Effect on staff turnover]{An analysis of the
>>> effect of the revised recruitment policies on staff
>>> turnover at divisional headquarters}
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That is, with an extra short-title to be used in Table of Contents and
>>> other running heads?
>> 
>> See :ALT_TITLE: property.
>> 
>
> ALT_TITLE seems to work only for those headlines that appear in the Table of Contents. While that is the main purpose, this does not have to be necessarily the case. In the present case, I need it because LaTeX would not accept a footnote to a heading without it.

True.  This is because org-latex-headline is written this way:

,----
| (if (and numberedp opt-title
| ;;   ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ why this?  Maybe there's a good reason...
| 		   (not (equal opt-title full-text))
| 		   (string-match "\\`\\\\\\(.*?[^*]\\){" section-fmt))
| 	      (...)
| 	    ;; Impossible to add an alternative heading.  Fallback to
| 	    ;; regular sectioning format string.
| 	    (format section-fmt full-text
| 		    (concat headline-label pre-blanks contents)))
`----

However, it need not be this way: LaTeX itself (or more precisely: the
default classes) seem to support the alt-title even for starred
sectioning commands.

Also, another way to circumvent this (/if/ there is some deep reason for
the above code which I don't see, which is quite probable) is to hack
into this part of the let form in org-latex-headline:

,----
| (section-back-end
| 	    (org-export-create-backend
| 	     :parent 'latex
| 	     :transcoders
| 	     '((underline . (lambda (o c i) (format "\\underline{%s}" c))))))
`----

and apply a (smart enough) filter in the (auxiliary) section-back-end,
something like removing a match for

\\footnote{.*?}

(this would be easy to break; in general, regexen are not a suitable
tool for this, because they can't "count" and match braces; however,
writing a suitable filter should not be extremely difficult).

> Vikas

Hth,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University

Re: org-latex question

[Rasmus]

Hi,

>> See :ALT_TITLE: property.
>> 
>
> ALT_TITLE seems to work only for those headlines that appear in the
> Table of Contents. While that is the main purpose, this does not have
> to be necessarily the case. In the present case, I need it because
> LaTeX would not accept a footnote to a heading without it.

It seems that the bug is either

   1. That the footnote that is written out at all.  If you call
      org-footnote-action (or whatever C-c C-x f is) you are told that
      footnotes are not supported in headings

   2. The optional argument of the \section-like command should
      automatically be set either :ALT_TITLE or :title sans the footnote
      if a footnote is present.

—Rasmus

-- 
Vote for proprietary math!

Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

> 
>>> See :ALT_TITLE: property.
>>> 
>> 
>> ALT_TITLE seems to work only for those headlines that appear in the
>> Table of Contents. While that is the main purpose, this does not have
>> to be necessarily the case. In the present case, I need it because
>> LaTeX would not accept a footnote to a heading without it.
> 
> It seems that the bug is either
> 
>   1. That the footnote that is written out at all.  If you call
>      org-footnote-action (or whatever C-c C-x f is) you are told that
>      footnotes are not supported in headings
> 
This has been fixed today by Nicolas. There is another thread on the mailing list discussing this. So if you update orgmode, this would go.

>   2. The optional argument of the \section-like command should
>      automatically be set either :ALT_TITLE or :title sans the footnote
>      if a footnote is present.
> 
Yes, this needs to be implemented, it seems.


Vikas

Re: org-latex question

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes:

> True.  This is because org-latex-headline is written this way:
>
> ,----
> | (if (and numberedp opt-title
> | ;;   ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ why this?  Maybe there's a good reason...
> | 		   (not (equal opt-title full-text))
> | 		   (string-match "\\`\\\\\\(.*?[^*]\\){" section-fmt))
> | 	      (...)
> | 	    ;; Impossible to add an alternative heading.  Fallback to
> | 	    ;; regular sectioning format string.
> | 	    (format section-fmt full-text
> | 		    (concat headline-label pre-blanks contents)))
> `----
>
> However, it need not be this way: LaTeX itself (or more precisely: the
> default classes) seem to support the alt-title even for starred
> sectioning commands.

I removed NUMBEREDP, since I cannot remember the reason for its
presence.

> Also, another way to circumvent this (/if/ there is some deep reason for
> the above code which I don't see, which is quite probable) is to hack
> into this part of the let form in org-latex-headline:
>
> ,----
> | (section-back-end
> | 	    (org-export-create-backend
> | 	     :parent 'latex
> | 	     :transcoders
> | 	     '((underline . (lambda (o c i) (format "\\underline{%s}" c))))))
> `----
>
> and apply a (smart enough) filter in the (auxiliary) section-back-end,
> something like removing a match for
>
> \\footnote{.*?}
>
> (this would be easy to break; in general, regexen are not a suitable
> tool for this, because they can't "count" and match braces; however,
> writing a suitable filter should not be extremely difficult).

Or ignore completely footnotes-references in the anonymous back-end.
However, is it needed since :ALT_TITLE: is now supported for all
headlines? I'm not sure.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

> 
>> True.  This is because org-latex-headline is written this way:
>> 
>> ,----
>> | (if (and numberedp opt-title
>> | ;;   ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ why this?  Maybe there's a good reason...
>> | 		   (not (equal opt-title full-text))
>> | 		   (string-match "\\`\\\\\\(.*?[^*]\\){" section-fmt))
>> | 	      (...)
>> | 	    ;; Impossible to add an alternative heading.  Fallback to
>> | 	    ;; regular sectioning format string.
>> | 	    (format section-fmt full-text
>> | 		    (concat headline-label pre-blanks contents)))
>> `----
>> 
>> However, it need not be this way: LaTeX itself (or more precisely: the
>> default classes) seem to support the alt-title even for starred
>> sectioning commands.
> 
> I removed NUMBEREDP, since I cannot remember the reason for its
> presence.
> 

Sorry, it took me some time before I could get back to figure this out. 

In the document (manuscript of a book) that I am working, ALT_TITLE now works in most cases. However, ALT_TITLE does not work for headlines in Appendices, which come after 

\begin{appendices} 

Just as a reminder (since these emails are several days old), we are trying to enable ALT_TITLE in all headlines irrespective of whether they appear in TOC or not.

So there is perhaps still a problem somewhere.

Vikas

Re: org-latex question

[Marcin Borkowski]

On 2015-04-27, at 06:05, Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> wrote:

> In the document (manuscript of a book) that I am working, ALT_TITLE now works in most cases. However, ALT_TITLE does not work for headlines in Appendices, which come after 
>
> \begin{appendices} 

Are you sure the problem isn't on the LaTeX side?  Where does the
appendices environment come from?  It appears not to be defined in
LaTeX2e nor in the standard classes.

> Vikas

Best,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University

Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

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> 
>> In the document (manuscript of a book) that I am working, ALT_TITLE now works in most cases. However, ALT_TITLE does not work for headlines in Appendices, which come after 
>> 
>> \begin{appendices} 
> 
> Are you sure the problem isn't on the LaTeX side?  Where does the
> appendices environment come from?  It appears not to be defined in
> LaTeX2e nor in the standard classes.
> 

I am sorry, it has nothing to do with appendices. Although I am not able to exactly figure out where the problem is, I have an example file where ALT_TITLE gets exported only for one headline and not for the others. Please see the attached org and and latex files.

Vikas

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#+STARTUP: hidestars
#+TITLE: Test title
#+AUTHOR: Draft: Do not Cite
#+OPTIONS: toc:nil num:2 H:4
#+LATEX_CLASS: article

* Chap 1
** Heading 1[fn:1]
:PROPERTIES:
:ALT_TITLE: Heading 1
:END:

* Chapter 2
** Heading 1
*** Heading 2[fn:2]
:PROPERTIES:
:ALT_TITLE: Heading 2
:END:

* Chapter 3
*** Heading 3[fn:3]
:PROPERTIES:
:ALT_TITLE: Heading 3
:END:

* Footnotes

[fn:1] a,skdj akjd aksjd 

[fn:2] aksjdlkjaslkjd

[fn:3] aksjd kajshd kahsd 

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% Created 2015-04-27 Mon 19:25
\documentclass[12pt,a4paper,twoside,openright,showtrims]{article}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{fixltx2e}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{longtable}
\usepackage{float}
\usepackage{wrapfig}
\usepackage{rotating}
\usepackage[normalem]{ulem}
\usepackage{amsmath}
\usepackage{textcomp}
\usepackage{marvosym}
\usepackage{wasysym}
\usepackage{amssymb}
\usepackage{capt-of}
\usepackage{hyperref}
\tolerance=1000
\linespread{1.2}
\setcounter{secnumdepth}{2}
\author{Draft: Do not Cite}
\date{\today}
\title{Ending Malnutrition: What Needs To Be Done?}
\hypersetup{
 pdfauthor={Draft: Do not Cite},
 pdftitle={Ending Malnutrition: What Needs To Be Done?},
 pdfkeywords={},
 pdfsubject={},
 pdfcreator={Emacs 24.4.1 (Org mode 8.3beta)}, 
 pdflang={English}}
\begin{document}

\maketitle

\section{Chap 1}
\label{sec-1}
\subsection[Heading 1]{Heading 1\footnote{a,skdj akjd aksjd}}
\label{sec-1-1}

\section{Chapter 2}
\label{sec-2}
\subsection{Heading 1}
\label{sec-2-1}
\subsubsection*{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}
\label{unnumbered-1}

\section{Chapter 3}
\label{sec-3}
\paragraph*{Heading 3\footnote{aksjd kajshd kahsd}}
\label{unnumbered-2}
\end{document}

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Re: org-latex question

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:

> I am sorry, it has nothing to do with appendices. Although I am not
> able to exactly figure out where the problem is, I have an example
> file where ALT_TITLE gets exported only for one headline and not for
> the others. Please see the attached org and and latex files.
>
> Vikas
>
> #+STARTUP: hidestars
> #+TITLE: Test title
> #+AUTHOR: Draft: Do not Cite
> #+OPTIONS: toc:nil num:2 H:4
> #+LATEX_CLASS: article
>
> * Chap 1
> ** Heading 1[fn:1]
> :PROPERTIES:
> :ALT_TITLE: Heading 1
> :END:
>
> * Chapter 2
> ** Heading 1
> *** Heading 2[fn:2]
> :PROPERTIES:
> :ALT_TITLE: Heading 2
> :END:
>
> * Chapter 3
> *** Heading 3[fn:3]
> :PROPERTIES:
> :ALT_TITLE: Heading 3
> :END:
>
> * Footnotes
>
> [fn:1] a,skdj akjd aksjd 
>
> [fn:2] aksjdlkjaslkjd
>
> [fn:3] aksjd kajshd kahsd

Fixed in 88ea2ced0e38646d393e038bc81d6a0d45b8dcd6. Thank you.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: org-latex question

[Nick Dokos]

Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:

>> 
>>> In the document (manuscript of a book) that I am working, ALT_TITLE
>>> now works in most cases. However, ALT_TITLE does not work for
>>> headlines in Appendices, which come after
>>> 
>>> \begin{appendices} 
>> 
>> Are you sure the problem isn't on the LaTeX side?  Where does the
>> appendices environment come from?  It appears not to be defined in
>> LaTeX2e nor in the standard classes.
>> 
>
> I am sorry, it has nothing to do with appendices. Although I am not
> able to exactly figure out where the problem is, I have an example
> file where ALT_TITLE gets exported only for one headline and not for
> the others. Please see the attached org and and latex files.
>

You have num:2, so subsubsections are not TOC'ed, so they don't get
the alternative. If you set it to 3, all should work.

Nick

Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

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> > [fn:3] aksjd kajshd kahsd
>
> Fixed in 88ea2ced0e38646d393e038bc81d6a0d45b8dcd6. Thank you.
>
>
>
The second and third headings are getting exported as:

\subsection*[Heading 2]{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}

I do not think the * should be there.

Vikas

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Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

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> You have num:2, so subsubsections are not TOC'ed, so they don't get
> the alternative. If you set it to 3, all should work.
>

That is what we have been discussing. There are situations where you do not
want a headline to appear in TOC, but still want the ALT_TITLE used. It is
now possible in org-mode, but there was some bug because of which it did
not always work.

Nicholas has just fixed it, but, I think, there is still an extra *
appearing.

Vikas

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Re: org-latex question

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:

>> > [fn:3] aksjd kajshd kahsd
>>
>> Fixed in 88ea2ced0e38646d393e038bc81d6a0d45b8dcd6. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
> The second and third headings are getting exported as:
>
> \subsection*[Heading 2]{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}
>
> I do not think the * should be there.

I don't follow you. You want an unnumbered subsection (per H:2 option),
which, according to `org-latex-classes' translates into
"\subsection*{%s}". So, what the expected output, then?

Regards,

Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

> On 28-Apr-2015, at 1:16 pm, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
> 
> Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:
> 
>>>> [fn:3] aksjd kajshd kahsd
>>> 
>>> Fixed in 88ea2ced0e38646d393e038bc81d6a0d45b8dcd6. Thank you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> The second and third headings are getting exported as:
>> 
>> \subsection*[Heading 2]{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}
>> 
>> I do not think the * should be there.
> 
> I don't follow you. You want an unnumbered subsection (per H:2 option),
> which, according to `org-latex-classes' translates into
> "\subsection*{%s}". So, what the expected output, then?
> 

\subsection*[Heading 2]{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}

should be

\subsection[Heading 2]{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}

In the example file, the first heading with ALT_TITLE is corrected exported.

Vikas

Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

> On 28-Apr-2015, at 1:17 pm, Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 28-Apr-2015, at 1:16 pm, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
>> 
>> Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:
>> 
>>>>> [fn:3] aksjd kajshd kahsd
>>>> 
>>>> Fixed in 88ea2ced0e38646d393e038bc81d6a0d45b8dcd6. Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> The second and third headings are getting exported as:
>>> 
>>> \subsection*[Heading 2]{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}
>>> 
>>> I do not think the * should be there.
>> 
>> I don't follow you. You want an unnumbered subsection (per H:2 option),
>> which, according to `org-latex-classes' translates into
>> "\subsection*{%s}". So, what the expected output, then?
>> 
> 
> \subsection*[Heading 2]{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}
> 
> should be
> 
> \subsection[Heading 2]{Heading 2\footnote{aksjdlkjaslkjd}}
> 
> In the example file, the first heading with ALT_TITLE is corrected exported.
> 

My apologies. What you have done is right. Took me a moment to understand.

Now let me figure out how to use it in my case.

Sorry, please ignore the previous email.

Vikas

Re: org-latex question

[Nick Dokos]

Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:

>     You have num:2, so subsubsections are not TOC'ed, so they don't get
>     the alternative. If you set it to 3, all should work.
>
> That is what we have been discussing. There are situations where you
> do not want a headline to appear in TOC, but still want the ALT_TITLE
> used. It is now possible in org-mode, but there was some bug because
> of which it did not always work.
>

I figured I was missing something, but I have a question (which means
I'm still missing something :-) : what are ALT_TITLEs good for if not
for the TOC?

Thanks,
Nick

Re: org-latex question

[Thomas S. Dye]

Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com> writes:

> Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:
>
>>     You have num:2, so subsubsections are not TOC'ed, so they don't get
>>     the alternative. If you set it to 3, all should work.
>>
>> That is what we have been discussing. There are situations where you
>> do not want a headline to appear in TOC, but still want the ALT_TITLE
>> used. It is now possible in org-mode, but there was some bug because
>> of which it did not always work.
>>
>
> I figured I was missing something, but I have a question (which means
> I'm still missing something :-) : what are ALT_TITLEs good for if not
> for the TOC?

I think some styles put them in the header, regardless of TOC.

All the best,
Tom

-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com

Re: org-latex question

[Vikas Rawal]

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>> 
>>>    You have num:2, so subsubsections are not TOC'ed, so they don't get
>>>    the alternative. If you set it to 3, all should work.
>>> 
>>> That is what we have been discussing. There are situations where you
>>> do not want a headline to appear in TOC, but still want the ALT_TITLE
>>> used. It is now possible in org-mode, but there was some bug because
>>> of which it did not always work.
>>> 
>> 
>> I figured I was missing something, but I have a question (which means
>> I'm still missing something :-) : what are ALT_TITLEs good for if not
>> for the TOC?
> 
> I think some styles put them in the header, regardless of TOC.


Also needed if you need to add a footnote to a section heading.

Vikas

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