From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: merging Emacs.app Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:59:14 +0000 Message-ID: <1C37B31F-8D73-4556-9EC4-F29517BCF0BA@gmail.com> References: <18375.18663.981150.252393@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200803031629.m23GT4tH023615@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803050504.m2554JRn010804@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803051605.m25G5bfF012539@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803060403.m2643HgL006230@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <8763vxc1yc.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200803081714.m28HE79h023783@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <673E01BA-AF78-4DF5-BFD0-ACBC98163D01@gmail.com> <200803081834.m28IYSlf008485@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--937711609; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205002783 3254 80.91.229.12 (8 Mar 2008 18:59:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Miles Bader , Stefan Monnier , YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 08 20:00:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JY4H7-00035j-18 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:00:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4GZ-0007Ub-6U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:59:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4GU-0007Td-Op for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:59:26 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4GQ-0007Sk-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:59:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4GP-0007SX-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:59:21 -0500 Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.174]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JY4GO-0003sj-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:59:21 -0500 Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so4515948ugf.48 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:59:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=P7zeGrDxys5i/cNtOMLtmVRQ3/xVDM1EymZWQxjm6W4=; b=s0VInltMrFsTx58SZh2XUauwVYUFjQVHGx+3Poqrz1PK2u3KO5kBjjNd3BZ/iBn8gafp+R6d3raPIx/Rdzm+oNDV5oGpkuC6DSJu5/jP/JNHb5drznk91rsf8vr8N62FnpzYL44MdcDJhlHAy3+9SVZkQPY9GqoDFJgCs56A1YI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=u/k2IQBrMNW6Kql+fpaS3vLIkYN6m9dpu2+0WazTfqTT5iypgDLEEfwsWPDHvX47Gt4lLRMMXeOAJ5ibxJ4PUBLneGQQD0MJZbFKX5dRUTJhX9x+vb7uXGgciMkU9Kfv5g2p7I9wewfCarJVpaXSoJcK2gRCb9iOFZ1nd8SbSPo= Original-Received: by 10.67.115.19 with SMTP id s19mr2458360ugm.70.1205002758245; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:59:18 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from scarlett.inf.ed.ac.uk ( [129.215.174.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q1sm23953023uge.7.2008.03.08.10.59.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:59:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200803081834.m28IYSlf008485@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91748 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-13--937711609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8 Mar 2008, at 18:34, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: >> >> In almost all cases, it is me (and really only me) reproducing and >> tracing these bugs before or after reporting them. If you prefer me >> to ignore and swallow those user's bug reports, > > We prefer to hear about bugs in emacs-22.1, EMACS_22_BASE, and CVS > HEAD, > so it is better to reproduces the bugs on one of those versions using > emacs -Q, and then report it here. Sure, that's what I usually do. However, occasionally I can't reproduce or even understand reports without the right knowledge. There, collaboration is needed in the sense that some experts need to give the right hint, as was just the case for this C++ mode bug. This kind of collaboration has worked arguably well for everyone involved since 2005, and we have squashed a number of bugs in the Emacs 22 code base (not in Aquamacs) this way. So, I see no need to change the modus operandi at this point. PS.: Yes, the projects compete in some ways, and they collaborate in others. The publicity reflects that. Aquamacs has more than 10,000 different users every week, who have chosen to use the Aquamacs variant of GNU Emacs. 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