Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Marius Hofert]

Hi,

If I forward a message in Gnus (C-c C-f), how can I get the following features by default?
1) The forwarded message text should be quoted with ">". 
2) The forwarded message does not contain a subject starting with "Fwd:" or similar.
3) C-c C-f does not work if the point is in the message text (follow-up does work from there). Is there an easy way to make C-c C-f active from within messages? 

I saw onhttp://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/emacs/gnus_58.html that C-c C-f can have a prefix, but using either of the given numbers did not solve the above problem(s).

Cheers,

Marius

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Tassilo Horn]

Marius Hofert <marius.hofert@math.ethz.ch> writes:

Hi,

> If I forward a message in Gnus (C-c C-f), how can I get the following
> features by default?
> 1) The forwarded message text should be quoted with ">". 

IMHO, when you forward a message, it should be preserved as-is.

> 2) The forwarded message does not contain a subject starting with
> "Fwd:" or similar.

Not sure about this one...

> 3) C-c C-f does not work if the point is in the message text
> (follow-up does work from there). Is there an easy way to make C-c C-f
> active from within messages?

(define-key gnus-article-mode-map (kbd "C-c C-f")
  'gnus-summary-mail-forward)

Bye,
Tassilo
-- 
(What the world needs (I think) is not
      (a Lisp (with fewer parentheses))
      but (an English (with more.)))
Brian Hayes, http://tinyurl.com/3y9l2kf

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Marius Hofert]

On 2011-11-27, at 18:51 , Tassilo Horn wrote:

> Marius Hofert <marius.hofert@math.ethz.ch> writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> If I forward a message in Gnus (C-c C-f), how can I get the following
>> features by default?
>> 1) The forwarded message text should be quoted with ">". 
> 
> IMHO, when you forward a message, it should be preserved as-is.

Hi Tassilo,

my former email program used to quoted forwarded messages and even wrote 
"Begin forwarded message:" in the beginning of the message. I find this very helpful since otherwise, it might happen that the person you forward the message to thinks that (s)he received the message directly and will then answer the message to the original sender. In many cases this can cause trouble... 

> 
>> 2) The forwarded message does not contain a subject starting with
>> "Fwd:" or similar.
> 
> Not sure about this one...

I just figured it out (first time :-) ):
;; see http://osdir.com/ml/emacs.gnus.user/2002-11/msg00011.html
(setq message-make-forward-subject-function 'message-forward-subject-fwd)

> 
>> 3) C-c C-f does not work if the point is in the message text
>> (follow-up does work from there). Is there an easy way to make C-c C-f
>> active from within messages?
> 
> (define-key gnus-article-mode-map (kbd "C-c C-f")
>  'gnus-summary-mail-forward)

thanks :-)

> 
> Bye,
> Tassilo
> -- 
> (What the world needs (I think) is not
>      (a Lisp (with fewer parentheses))
>      but (an English (with more.)))
> Brian Hayes, http://tinyurl.com/3y9l2kf
> 
> 

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Memnon Anon]

Marius Hofert <marius.hofert@math.ethz.ch> writes:

> my former email program used to quoted forwarded messages and even
> wrote "Begin forwarded message:" in the beginning of the message.

Get this: 

-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
Here is the forwarded text
-------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------

with this:

(setq message-forward-as-mime nil)

hth 
Memnon

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Marius Hofert]

Dear Memnon,

many thanks, that's great!

Something I realized on testing is that a lot of "weird sender information" is sent with the forward. To be more precise, directly after the line "-------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------" the following is included (and also visible to the recipient) [I hope this does not reveal critical information]:

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=>  Do you know how to prevent that from being included?

Cheers,

Marius


On 2011-11-27, at 21:01 , Memnon Anon wrote:

> Marius Hofert <my.name@uni.edu> writes:
> 
>> my former email program used to quoted forwarded messages and even
>> wrote "Begin forwarded message:" in the beginning of the message.
> 
> Get this: 
> 
> -------------------- Start of forwarded message --------------------
> Here is the forwarded text
> -------------------- End of forwarded message --------------------
> 
> with this:
> 
> (setq message-forward-as-mime nil)
> 
> hth 
> Memnon
> 
> 
> 

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Memnon Anon]

Marius Hofert <marius.hofert@math.ethz.ch> writes:

> Something I realized on testing is that a lot of "weird sender
> information" is sent with the forward. To be more precise, directly
> after the line "-------------------- Start of forwarded message
> --------------------" the following is included (and also visible to
> the recipient) [I hope this does not reveal critical information]:
[...[
> =>  Do you know how to prevent that from being included?

(customize-group "Message Forwarding") <-C-x C-e here

Look around, can you figure it out? :)

hth
Memnon

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Marius Hofert]

On 2011-11-27, at 22:29 , Memnon Anon wrote:

> (customize-group "Message Forwarding") <-C-x C-e here
> 

How can I find "Message Forwarding"? I looked via C-h i gnus and also in the manual...  (sorry I'm a relatively new emacs user)

Cheers,

Marius

> Look around, can you figure it out? :)
> 
> hth
> Memnon
> 
> 

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Marius Hofert]

Hi Memnon,

I found two things: message-forward-as-mime and message-forward-show-mml. I guess it's the second (cause the technical clutter inserted in the message says something like "mml"). So I tried:
(setq message-forward-show-mml nil)
However, this doesn't seem to have an influence on the problem (I also did a restart just to make sure it's correctly set).

Cheers,

Marius



On 2011-11-27, at 22:29 , Memnon Anon wrote:

> Marius Hofert <marius.hofert@math.ethz.ch> writes:
> 
>> Something I realized on testing is that a lot of "weird sender
>> information" is sent with the forward. To be more precise, directly
>> after the line "-------------------- Start of forwarded message
>> --------------------" the following is included (and also visible to
>> the recipient) [I hope this does not reveal critical information]:
> [...[
>> =>  Do you know how to prevent that from being included?
> 
> (customize-group "Message Forwarding") <-C-x C-e here
> 
> Look around, can you figure it out? :)
> 
> hth
> Memnon
> 
> 

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Memnon Anon]

>>> Something I realized on testing is that a lot of "weird sender
>>> information" is sent with the forward. 
>>> =>  Do you know how to prevent that from being included?
>> 
>> (customize-group "Message Forwarding") <-C-x C-e here
>> Look around, can you figure it out? :)

> I found two things: message-forward-as-mime and
> message-forward-show-mml. I guess it's the second (cause the technical
> clutter inserted in the message says something like "mml"). So I
> tried: (setq message-forward-show-mml nil) However, this doesn't seem
> to have an influence on the problem (I also did a restart just to make
> sure it's correctly set).

The "weird sender information" in the forward are Headers.
By default, most header informations are kept, except:
   
   "^Content-Transfer-Encoding:\\|^X-Gnus"

,----[ Docstring `message-forward-ignored-headers' ]
| All headers that match this regexp will be deleted 
| when forwarding a message.
`----

If you want all header information removed, try setting 
`message-forward-ignored-headers' to a regexp that matches all headers. 

I leave that as an exercise to you :)
If you know nothing about regexps, 
(elisp) Regular Expressions is a good starting point.

Memnon
P.S.: If you really can not figure it out, write me an email.

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Marius Hofert]

Dear Memnon,

thank you very much for this hint. I figured out the following: 
(setq message-forward-ignored-headers "^.*")
and it worked :-)

Cheers,

Marius


On 2011-11-28, at 10:24 , Memnon Anon wrote:

>>>> Something I realized on testing is that a lot of "weird sender
>>>> information" is sent with the forward. 
>>>> =>  Do you know how to prevent that from being included?
>>> 
>>> (customize-group "Message Forwarding") <-C-x C-e here
>>> Look around, can you figure it out? :)
> 
>> I found two things: message-forward-as-mime and
>> message-forward-show-mml. I guess it's the second (cause the technical
>> clutter inserted in the message says something like "mml"). So I
>> tried: (setq message-forward-show-mml nil) However, this doesn't seem
>> to have an influence on the problem (I also did a restart just to make
>> sure it's correctly set).
> 
> The "weird sender information" in the forward are Headers.
> By default, most header informations are kept, except:
> 
>   "^Content-Transfer-Encoding:\\|^X-Gnus"
> 
> ,----[ Docstring `message-forward-ignored-headers' ]
> | All headers that match this regexp will be deleted 
> | when forwarding a message.
> `----
> 
> If you want all header information removed, try setting 
> `message-forward-ignored-headers' to a regexp that matches all headers. 
> 
> I leave that as an exercise to you :)
> If you know nothing about regexps, 
> (elisp) Regular Expressions is a good starting point.
> 
> Memnon
> P.S.: If you really can not figure it out, write me an email.
> 
> 

Re: Gnus: Forwarding emails: how to get "Fwd:" in subject and ">" in body?

[Memnon Anon]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

>> 2) The forwarded message does not contain a subject starting with
>> "Fwd:" or similar.
>
> Not sure about this one...

,----[ (info "(message)Forwarding") ]
| `message-make-forward-subject-function'
|      A list of functions that are called to generate a subject header
|      for forwarded messages.  The subject generated by the previous
|      function is passed into each successive function.
| 
|      The provided functions are:
| 
|     `message-forward-subject-author-subject'
|           Source of article (author or newsgroup), in brackets followed
|           by the subject.
| 
|     `message-forward-subject-fwd'
|           Subject of article with `Fwd:' prepended to it.
`----

Easy to customize with

     * M-x customize-option
     * message-make-forward-subject-function
     * RET
     * Mark the "message-forward-subject-fwd" line
     * "Set for current session" 
     * Test it
     * "Save for future sessions"

hth
Memnon