From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
To: Adrian Robert <adrian.b.robert@gmail.com>
Cc: 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com,
Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE>
Subject: bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:00:45 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1B5766A7-D82A-4E71-807B-532A2DA38E2E@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F9C01386-94A3-4477-A1B9-64F099CC12F9@gmail.com>
On 4 Apr 2009, at 02:26, Adrian Robert wrote:
>
> So my feeling is that the command=meta option is preferred by text-
> writing Continentals, while command = command is likely preferred by
> everyone else. I am not sure which group makes up a larger subset
> of OS X emacs users.
Well, a pretty stable 50% of all Aquamacs users are US based.
> I do know that I received a few complaints over the years from folks
> disliking the Emacs.app command=command default. My answer was
> always to rehash the above and note that it's easy to change it --
> just flip a combo box in the prefs panel. Now that it's not so easy
> (I guess figuring out the existence of ns/mac-command-modifier
> variable and writing suitable elisp to .emacs is necessary), the
> default setting becomes more important.
That's right. Similarly, I have received plenty of complaints about
Option=Meta, especially in the early days of Aquamacs.
>
>>> Could be done, but I think we should stick to one default for all
>>> layouts.
>>>
>>
>> Then the system's one. No artificial changes.
>
>
> I agree with both of these. So perhaps the best default would be
> command=command (super), alt=none, and the user can set a meta key
> (additional to esc+) if he/she desires.
Well, that would be another alternative - maybe a good one. It's my
second-preferred variant.
The reason why I support Command=Meta for Emacs 23 is experience from
working with Aquamacs and Carbon Emacs users. It seems to me that
there is a division between Emacs traditionalists, who would like an
Emacs with maximum compatibility across platforms. These people don't
need/want Mac keybindings. On the other end, you find people with the
need for cross-application integration. Unsurprisingly, that's the
typical Aquamacs user, while the traditionalists compile Emacs from
scratch or use a distribution like Carbon Emacs Package.
Due to this polarization, I think that it is sensible to Emacs Emacs-
compatible. Because otherwise, I'm not sure who's going to fill the
void.
(That said, Meta=Esc is a perfectly acceptable default setting, too.
Just not my #1 choice.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-04 16:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-16 21:22 bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background David Reitter
2009-03-17 11:56 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 19:03 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29 0:05 ` David Reitter
2009-03-29 0:20 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 19:07 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29 0:01 ` David Reitter
2009-03-28 19:11 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29 0:02 ` David Reitter
2009-03-28 19:54 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 23:26 ` David Reitter
2009-03-29 0:09 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29 0:14 ` David Reitter
2009-03-29 0:24 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-04-04 6:26 ` Adrian Robert
2009-04-04 16:00 ` David Reitter [this message]
2009-04-06 4:25 ` Adrian Robert
2009-04-06 14:35 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-04-06 17:42 ` David Reitter
2009-04-06 22:53 ` Jason Rumney
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-19 22:25 Tom Hageman
2009-01-22 18:54 Peter Dyballa
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