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From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
To: Adrian Robert <adrian.b.robert@gmail.com>
Cc: 1993@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com,
	Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE>
Subject: bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:00:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1B5766A7-D82A-4E71-807B-532A2DA38E2E@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F9C01386-94A3-4477-A1B9-64F099CC12F9@gmail.com>

On 4 Apr 2009, at 02:26, Adrian Robert wrote:
>
> So my feeling is that the command=meta option is preferred by text- 
> writing Continentals, while command = command is likely preferred by  
> everyone else.  I am not sure which group makes up a larger subset  
> of OS X emacs users.

Well, a pretty stable 50% of all Aquamacs users are US based.

> I do know that I received a few complaints over the years from folks  
> disliking the Emacs.app command=command default.  My answer was  
> always to rehash the above and note that it's easy to change it --  
> just flip a combo box in the prefs panel.  Now that it's not so easy  
> (I guess figuring out the existence of ns/mac-command-modifier  
> variable and writing suitable elisp to .emacs is necessary), the  
> default setting becomes more important.

That's right.  Similarly, I have received plenty of complaints about  
Option=Meta, especially in the early days of Aquamacs.

>
>>> Could be done, but I think we should stick to one default for all  
>>> layouts.
>>>
>>
>> Then the system's one. No artificial changes.
>
>
> I agree with both of these.  So perhaps the best default would be  
> command=command (super), alt=none, and the user can set a meta key  
> (additional to esc+) if he/she desires.

Well, that would be another alternative - maybe a good one.  It's my  
second-preferred variant.

The reason why I support Command=Meta for Emacs 23 is experience from  
working with Aquamacs and Carbon Emacs users.  It seems to me that  
there is a division between Emacs traditionalists, who would like an  
Emacs with maximum compatibility across platforms.  These people don't  
need/want Mac keybindings.  On the other end, you find people with the  
need for cross-application integration.  Unsurprisingly, that's the  
typical Aquamacs user, while the traditionalists compile Emacs from  
scratch or use a distribution like Carbon Emacs Package.

Due to this polarization, I think that it is sensible to Emacs Emacs- 
compatible.  Because otherwise, I'm not sure who's going to fill the  
void.

(That said, Meta=Esc is a perfectly acceptable default setting, too.   
Just not my #1 choice.)






  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-04 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-16 21:22 bug#1993: 23.0.60; Emacs.app has only transparent window background David Reitter
2009-03-17 11:56 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 19:03 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29  0:05   ` David Reitter
2009-03-29  0:20     ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 19:07 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29  0:01   ` David Reitter
2009-03-28 19:11 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29  0:02   ` David Reitter
2009-03-28 19:54 ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-28 23:26   ` David Reitter
2009-03-29  0:09     ` Peter Dyballa
2009-03-29  0:14       ` David Reitter
2009-03-29  0:24         ` Peter Dyballa
2009-04-04  6:26     ` Adrian Robert
2009-04-04 16:00       ` David Reitter [this message]
2009-04-06  4:25         ` Adrian Robert
2009-04-06 14:35           ` Peter Dyballa
2009-04-06 17:42           ` David Reitter
2009-04-06 22:53           ` Jason Rumney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-19 22:25 Tom Hageman
2009-01-22 18:54 Peter Dyballa

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