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[77.52.105.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex20sm6103771wid.7.2012.07.27.05.17.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Jul 2012 05:17:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 74.125.82.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:151917 Archived-At: On 25 Jul 2012, at 10:17, chad wrote: >>> I zoomed in on your screenshot (specifically on the word `This' at = the top) and did not see any font differences. I do see the inter-line = spacing being different, and I prefer the NS port version. It's = possible that I could find some if I looked harder. =20 > Here's a screenshot of the two renderings of `This' side by side. Can = you point out the differences between them, so that we (by which I = mostly mean `someone more knowledgable than I') can look into the = problems? > Actually good example how small things (font rendering or inter-line = spacing) can have great impact. There is more than one word in the frame = even more than one line, and summed together they can change overall = perception of the hole frame making it looks faint. > I'm not sure what you meant by `true brown', but if you're talking = about the info headers being brown on the ns port and red on the mac = port, the face uses the color `brown', so I'm not sure that helps. Do = you not see that the red text in the mac port labelled itself `brown'? = Is this a color-perception issue, maybe on my part? They values are different #b1784b vs #af4d4c. And I wander where is the = true one. And how it can impact rainbow-mode. Emacs has modes for css = editing and makes hints for designer by changing the background of the = colour number and it has to do it properly. >> Yes in slow and bad networks. It looks like after loosing some = packets comes problem with C-g, and the only way was to killall -9 = Emacs. > Are these network connections made from within emacs, or problems with = using emacs over a network connection? =20 =46rom emacs by using tramp, cssh, el-get, gnus. > If you can report bugs for these, that would be great. I don't make = much use of emacs network connections these days, but several others do. I surely do if stumble upon one by using Mac port. > For me, saying ``just use the mac port'' is demonstrably NOT the best = of both worlds. I'm hopeful that we can get there, especially now that = the mac port is closer than ever to the ns port (sadly not close enough = for trivial patching, but still pretty close). I vote for both of them. NS port for GNUStep and Mac port for OS X. But = not to merge Mac port into the NS port. They are different. And from my = point of view NS port makes great editor Emacs looks like an old type = machine. And users will never know about how great it is and prefer = ordinary non-Free editors like TextMate or else. And here https://vimeo.com/46309150 is GUI bug in NS port. Pavlo