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From: Pavlo Martynenko <pavelmart@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs on OS X development
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:17:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1B55CF01-EA90-44A2-AFC1-B945989A6A91@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F6F57531-6C65-4717-A1AB-139B2DBA2CD5@gmail.com>

On 25 Jul 2012, at 10:17, chad <yandros@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> I zoomed in on your screenshot (specifically on the word `This' at the top) and did not see any font differences.  I do see the inter-line spacing being different, and I prefer the NS port version.  It's possible that I could find some if I looked harder.  
> Here's a screenshot of the two renderings of `This' side by side.  Can you point out the differences between them, so that we (by which I mostly mean `someone more knowledgable than I') can look into the problems?
> <ThisThis.png>

Actually good example how small things (font rendering or inter-line spacing) can have great impact. There is more than one word in the frame even more than one line, and summed together they can change overall perception of the hole frame making it looks faint.

> I'm not sure what you meant by `true brown', but if you're talking about the info headers being brown on the ns port and red on the mac port, the face uses the color `brown', so I'm not sure that helps.  Do you not see that the red text in the mac port labelled itself `brown'?  Is this a color-perception issue, maybe on my part?

They values are different #b1784b vs #af4d4c. And I wander where is the true one. And how it can impact rainbow-mode. Emacs has modes for css editing and makes hints for designer by changing the background of the colour number and it has to do it properly.

>> Yes in slow and bad networks. It looks like after loosing some packets comes problem with C-g, and the only way was to killall -9 Emacs.
> Are these network connections made from within emacs, or problems with using emacs over a network connection?  

From emacs by using tramp, cssh, el-get, gnus.

> If you can report bugs for these, that would be great.  I don't make much use of emacs network connections these days, but several others do.

I surely do if stumble upon one by using Mac port.

> For me, saying ``just use the mac port'' is demonstrably NOT the best of both worlds. I'm hopeful that we can get there, especially now that the mac port is closer than ever to the ns port (sadly not close enough for trivial patching, but still pretty close).

I vote for both of them. NS port for GNUStep and Mac port for OS X. But not to merge Mac port into the NS port. They are different. And from my point of view NS port makes great editor Emacs looks like an old type machine. And users will never know about how great it is and prefer ordinary non-Free editors like TextMate or else.

And here https://vimeo.com/46309150 is GUI bug in NS port.

	Pavlo







  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-27 12:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-12  4:06 Emacs on OS X development Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-12  7:23 ` Rasmus
2011-09-12  7:59   ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-13 16:37 ` Adrian Robert
2011-09-13 17:51   ` John Wiegley
2011-09-13 18:27     ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-13 18:43       ` John Wiegley
2011-09-13 18:56         ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-13 19:19           ` David Reitter
2011-09-14  1:13         ` Leo
2011-09-14  1:31           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-13  0:23             ` John Wiegley
2012-07-13  0:57               ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-13  1:18                 ` chad
2012-07-13  1:07               ` chad
2012-07-13  3:12                 ` John Wiegley
2012-07-20 13:51                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-21  9:40                   ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-21 14:02                     ` Michael Albinus
2012-07-24  6:39                       ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-25 13:11                         ` Michael Albinus
2012-07-21 16:53                     ` chad
2012-07-24 13:04                       ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-24 14:45                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-25  3:00                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-25 14:41                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-26 22:58                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-29 17:58                                 ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-29 22:31                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-30  0:04                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-07-30  3:25                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-30  4:48                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-07-30  5:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-30 22:40                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-30 23:01                                         ` Paul Eggert
2012-07-31  1:38                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-07-31 13:50                                         ` Nix
2012-07-31 15:58                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-08-02  5:16                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-08-03 21:15                                     ` Dave Abrahams
2012-07-31 18:31                               ` Adrian Robert
2012-08-03 20:08                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-08-03 20:28                                   ` Adrian Robert
2012-08-05 12:51                                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-12-21 17:20                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-12-23 14:50                                         ` Jan Djärv
2012-12-24  0:23                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-12-24 10:22                                             ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-25  7:17                         ` chad
2012-07-27 12:17                           ` Pavlo Martynenko [this message]
2012-07-22  9:31                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-22 22:16                       ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-23  7:26                         ` Ivan Andrus
2012-07-23  8:46                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-23 13:52                           ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-23 19:45                       ` John Wiegley
2012-07-23 20:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-23 23:12                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-23 20:20                         ` Paul Eggert
2012-07-23 23:13                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-23 20:46                         ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-23 21:17                           ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-23 21:28                             ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-23 23:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-24  6:25                                 ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-24  8:36                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-25  7:27                                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-25  8:15                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-24  9:01                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-25  7:38                                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-24 16:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-25  7:43                                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-23 23:15                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-23 23:40                             ` chad
2012-07-23 21:45                         ` chad
2012-07-23 23:00                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-24  1:13                           ` Leo
2012-07-23 18:57                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-07-13  3:28               ` Le Wang
2012-07-13 10:02               ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-13 10:45                 ` Ivan Andrus
2012-07-14  8:39                   ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-13 12:09               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-13 14:00                 ` René Kyllingstad
2012-07-13 17:48                   ` John Wiegley
2012-07-13 18:16                     ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-13 19:07                       ` Glenn Morris
2012-07-13 19:54                       ` John Wiegley
2012-07-13 20:12                         ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-13 20:32                           ` Ivan Andrus
2012-07-13 21:04                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-13 21:44                             ` chad
2012-07-13 22:30                               ` John Wiegley
2012-07-14 10:35                               ` Sudish Joseph
2012-07-14  9:00                         ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-14 22:56                           ` John Wiegley
2012-07-15  0:54                             ` Chong Yidong
2012-07-15  2:45                               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-15  3:40                               ` John Wiegley
2012-07-15 13:12                                 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2012-07-15 17:50                                   ` chad
2012-07-15 21:20                                     ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-15 21:34                                     ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-15 22:11                                       ` chad
2012-07-15 22:22                                       ` David Reitter
2012-07-18  0:16                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-18  2:56                                         ` John Wiegley
2012-07-18  3:42                                           ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2012-07-18  8:21                                             ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-18 20:43                                             ` Donald Curtis
2012-07-18 21:03                                               ` chad
2012-07-19  8:12                                               ` Jan Djärv
2012-07-18 17:19                                         ` Richard Stallman
2012-07-19 13:31                                           ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-15 22:19                               ` David Reitter
2012-07-16  2:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2012-07-17 10:18                               ` Pavlo Martynenko
2012-07-17 12:14                                 ` William Stevenson
2012-07-15 21:52                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-07-13 17:48                 ` John Wiegley
2011-09-14  2:21           ` chad
2011-09-14  3:00             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-14 12:54           ` Jan D.
2011-09-13 19:51   ` Jan Djärv
2011-09-13 19:57     ` Adrian Robert
2011-09-13 20:33       ` Jan Djärv
2011-09-13 20:05   ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-13 21:47     ` John Wiegley
2011-09-14  1:59       ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-14  2:09         ` John Wiegley
2011-09-14 14:10           ` Richard Stallman
2011-09-14 14:30             ` Stephen Eilert
2011-09-14 18:06               ` Glenn Morris
2011-09-15  4:11               ` Richard Stallman
2012-07-13  1:14             ` Samuel Bronson

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