From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9711: 24.0.50; doc string of defcustom Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:16:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1A035264243D4245BAEF0E8433BBFB5A@us.oracle.com> References: <467568DE194849A4948BCCD8B689BC02@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318191423 1158 80.91.229.12 (9 Oct 2011 20:17:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:17:03 +0000 (UTC) To: <9711@debbugs.gnu.org> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 09 22:16:59 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCznv-0001AA-2I for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:16:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33455 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCznu-00076v-AP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:40814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCznr-00076o-W7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCznr-0001WH-0P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:55 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49135) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCznq-0001WD-V5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzny-00012w-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 20:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9711 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9711-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9711.13181914083995 (code B ref 9711); Sun, 09 Oct 2011 20:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9711) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2011 20:16:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCznk-00012O-21 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:48 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCzni-00012B-6d for 9711@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:16:46 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet23.oracle.com (ucsinet23.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p99KGV1D010868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for <9711@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:16:33 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet23.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p99KGU1X001638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <9711@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:16:31 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p99KGPjg027188 for <9711@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 15:16:25 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.58.246) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:16:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <467568DE194849A4948BCCD8B689BC02@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: AcyGvj9fbyZE3gzkS92393mlJHvqVQAAM9UQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: ucsinet23.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4E920121.00FD,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:17:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:52458 Archived-At: In addition, this seems wrong: "Neither SYMBOL nor VALUE need to be quoted." Huh? VALUE is evaluated. What is meant by this statement? Evaluate this, and you get a `void-variable' error for `jjjjjj'. (defcustom foo jjjjjj "kkkkkkk" :type sexp) That doc-string statement is bogus, AFAICT. The Elisp manual is OK: it says "you should not quote OPTION" (which corresponds to SYMBOL in the doc string), and it says "Evaluating the `defcustom' form evaluates STANDARD" (which corresponds to VALUE in the doc string). Aside from making the grammar INcorrect (it was correct before) by changing "needs" to "need", the bogus statement "Neither SYMBOL nor VALUE need to be quoted." is unchanged from Emacs 20.