From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:13:36 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <19f783eb-a688-2a69-e209-ea161177c8cb@cs.ucla.edu> References: <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <20180827015422.lcq44zvsjffeau4j@Ergus> <83a7p76f5e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8p9o6y.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1o1a06q.fsf@russet.org.uk> <877ek1ql6u.fsf@toy.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536088305 30138 195.159.176.226 (4 Sep 2018 19:11:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:11:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: hw , Phillip Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 04 21:11:40 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxGjk-0007gQ-4Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 21:11:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52313 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxGlq-0002xa-D4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 15:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60349) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxGlk-0002xV-Fl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 15:13:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxGlj-00083U-NW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 15:13:44 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:39648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxGlf-00081d-9q; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 15:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A411616BD; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id mmQJUV2vmluD; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0541616C3; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:13:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id xbQMXsuQNVV5; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-23-242-74-103.socal.res.rr.com [23.242.74.103]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F4ED1616BD; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:13:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <877ek1ql6u.fsf@toy.adminart.net> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229256 Archived-At: hw wrote: > My first step with 'emacs -q' would be to make the menu fonts larger. > As much as I like monospace fonts, the typewriter font used for the text > was *really ugly* even 30 years ago. One look at Emacs with this font > might turn most people away before they start reading anything. This matches my perception too, when I show Emacs to students. Emacs starts up in monospace font and that looks sooooo 1980s. It's like showing them a medieval manuscript: cool in some sense, but they won't want to spend much of their working lives using it. A little bit of marketing would help here. The initial contents of *scratch*, the mode line, and the minibuffer need not be monospaced, and would all benefit from a better font.