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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249691 Archived-At: On 10.05.2020 20:58, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> And really, do you expect to be able to enable Eglot by default >> anytime soon? > No, I'm just pointing out that existence of alternatives should be > prevent integration. I would also say that having Eglot in core > shouldn't necessarily prevent inclusion of LSP-mode in core either. By alternative solutions, I actually meant non-LSP projects (some of them old) like etags/irony/cider/repl-based completion providers, and so on. Every one of them has some existing userbase not in a hurry to install language servers. > I always strongly favor merging alternatives (at least by sharing as much code as possible), but there are several examples where we have such alternatives in core. E.g. expand.el -vs- skeleton.el -vs- tempo.el, perl-mode -vs- cperl-mode, pascal-mode -vs- opascal-mode, I guess it's a personal opinion, but while having major modes for #10 most popular languages in vanilla Emacs is a good idea, I'd rather have everything else in ELPA. Unless including a package in vanilla provides some specific benefits aside from not having to 'M-x package-install'. Regarding discoverability, I would argue that having a package show up in 'M-x list-packages' might do more for it than having it somewhere inside Emacs distribution, but disabled by default.