Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like

["Trey Jackson" <bigfaceworm@gmail.com>]

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On Jan 6, 2008 10:09 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

>    The graphical improvements to GUD are nice, but as far as I can see,
> the new
>    features are limited to viewing GUD data.
>
> Isn't that what an IDE is?  Something to let you look at execution
> data and source code in a convenient coordinated way?


As in my other email, an IDE is often more - pulling together bug tracking,
plug-ins for profilers, code browsers, project planning, etc.  The improved
GUD is nice, but other IDEs have a lot more.   (if you want to want to go
that route))


>    project management (files & build)
>
> What does that mean?  Is it some alternative to makefiles?
>

Yeah, a number of IDEs have this (GreenHills, MSVS).  I find them awkward
and confusing.  My understanding is that the IDE then knows about all the
files in the 'project' and can automatically generate tags, do class
browsing, and other such things.

I only mentioned that because it's functionality that exists elsewhere.  I
don't see a use for it in GNU tools.


>    bug tracking (see the other threads)
>    task management (planner.el, todo-mode, etc.)
>    code browsing (yes, it exists, but as add-ons)
>    manage window configurations (Eclipse calls them perspectives)
>
> I would like to know more about this.  Emacs lacks convenient features
> to usefully save and adjust window configurations, and it would be nice
> to add that as a general feature.
>

I don't know much about it, just that it appears that you can set up window
configurations for each task, e.g. the window arrangement for the new
GUD-ui, one for actually coding (perhaps with class browser (ECB?)), one for
interacting with VCS, etc.  This does appear to be a high return on
investment kind of project.

One page for documentation on it is:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/FAQ_How_do_I_create_fixed_views_and_perspectives%3Fwhich
gives a sense that you can have fixed configurations and changeable...
This may involve more of a "mode" approach to interacting with Emacs, but
that could be OK given the complex tasks being acted on in these
situations.  I never looked at Gnus to see how it manages window
configurations (nor gud-ui, nor...)


side note: this is why I brought up the whole IDE subject, because perhaps
some of the functionality would be found to be useful...

TJ

-- 
Trey Jackson
bigfaceworm@gmail.com
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