Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like

["Trey Jackson" <bigfaceworm@gmail.com>]

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On Jan 5, 2008 10:58 PM, Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz> wrote:

> If you are offering to write code to do some of these tasks that's great.
>  If
> not, then the danger of making the discussion so general is that it
> detracts
> from the specific proposals and nothing gets done.  I think the priority
> must
> be first to use a modern bug tracker and VCS for Emacs development.
> Integrating these and other features into Emacs are more substantial tasks
> that
> can be done when volunteers are found.


It's good to have priorities.

My point was simply that an IDE is (often) more than a disparate collection
of utilities.  Emacs has a set of powerful utilities, but when a user sits
down to Emacs and opens up a C/C++/elisp/whatever source file, s/he just
gets that file.

In other IDEs (Eclipse, Kdevelop, MSVStudio, whatever), there's a wider
array of functionality presented to the user: build system, class browsing,
bug tracking, etc...  If a goal is to make Emacs development attractive to
new folks, one way might be to make Emacs present more of an IDE.  Why do
people like Kdevelop, MSVS, Eclipse, etc.?  I don't really know - I only use
Emacs, I'm just saying it might be useful to take a step back and think
about it.

The discussion regarding VCS and bug tracking is great, and I'm sure that'd
help both emacs-devel and to attract newer developers.

As I said in each of the previous email, I'm not telling emacs-devel to run
out and implement an IDE framework, but instead, just think about it - MAYBE
it is something that emacs-devel would find useful to use.

From the discussion, it doesn't sound like people have taken a step back to
see what might be changed about emacs-devel in a long time, and ESR's
initial email was a good catalyst.  Perhaps someone will think about other
IDE functionality and be inspired.  If so, great, if not, no big deal.  But
to shut your ears to even thinking about it b/c I haven't ponied up
resources to do something (that hasn't even been proposed)...

TJ

-- 
Trey Jackson
bigfaceworm@gmail.com
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