From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Trey Jackson" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:03:38 -0800 Message-ID: <198e25e10801052103p7acfcacdndaf925ea4c557e98@mail.gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1065020615==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199595831 6702 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2008 05:03:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 05:03:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 06:04:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBNgB-0004WD-Va for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:04:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBNfp-0001pt-5t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:03:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBNfl-0001po-F6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:03:45 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBNfh-0001pP-3h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:03:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBNfg-0001pM-Ro for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:03:40 -0500 Original-Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.176]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBNfg-0000kD-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:03:40 -0500 Original-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so11570075wah.10 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:03:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=q1vZDgfVCVM/9Q5HNihUj6shPxjMg3+J1LZC7XJN7f0=; b=Gv546AZVuspBp8/rc481BHVtHM+fDUPuVzGWT0WzNFRnPqrZJprf54GDYvzFZ85cSt0A+a9KE6rFI6jxmi2megcGYmqekhdvSspc3wtZljda1NBwlHS6yoV1yWIhqHwI6kOIThBtsFiEwwwB99d7MxNdZAtKFNGk3pw8NhhgJ/Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CGLHTirUD5oGhVJ/XpT9FAF9cd8G4jqJtFFR+dNxMGTjqLk6IYnld0KKZPLqVLBl4LYC3HPvByDLkfHvxVni9qaU+32VmmTX1QK62BZBmqpmg08VaoC4sl2Y6ntsXu0s8vrOH8aE/rVHA6p9Uvye/o34mrmU6elXMdgQi6U5d2M= Original-Received: by 10.142.237.20 with SMTP id k20mr5653427wfh.227.1199595818779; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:03:38 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.142.116.12 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:03:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86287 Archived-At: --===============1065020615== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25549_28125539.1199595818789" ------=_Part_25549_28125539.1199595818789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Jan 5, 2008 6:30 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > gud.el was the beginning of an Emacs IDE. > Nick Roberts has greatly extended its capabilities > in Emacs 22. What more should we add? > The graphical improvements to GUD are nice, but as far as I can see, the new features are limited to viewing GUD data. The other things that could be added are being discussed, and I thought I'd listed a couple of possibilities. project management (files & build) bug tracking (see the other threads) task management (planner.el, todo-mode, etc.) code browsing (yes, it exists, but as add-ons) manage window configurations (Eclipse calls them perspectives) integrating profiling tools - and analyzing the results An IDE can be so much more than a debugger. And, yes, Emacs can run make, launch the application, debug the application, send email. But an organization of those capabilities (and more) might lead to something greater than the sum of the parts. Again, I'm only suggesting to think about such items, and if the emacs developers would see pieces that are useful to themselves, then do it. I think someone who develops software tools s/he doesn't use her/himself leads to useless tools. TJ -- Trey Jackson bigfaceworm@gmail.com "Like any truly useful program, `hello' contains a built-in mail reader." -- GNU's Bulletin, July 1996 ------=_Part_25549_28125539.1199595818789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Jan 5, 2008 6:30 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
gud.el was the beginning of an Emacs IDE.
Nick Roberts has greatly extended its capabilities
in Emacs 22.  What more should we add?

The graphical improvements to GUD are nice, but as far as I can see, the new features are limited to viewing GUD data.
The other things that could be added are being discussed, and I thought I'd listed a couple of possibilities.

project management (files & build)
bug tracking (see the other threads)
task management ( planner.el, todo-mode, etc.)
code browsing (yes, it exists, but as add-ons)
manage window configurations (Eclipse calls them perspectives)
integrating profiling tools - and analyzing the results


An IDE can be so much more than a debugger.
And, yes, Emacs can run make, launch the application, debug the application, send email.
But an organization of those capabilities (and more) might lead to something greater than the sum of the parts.

Again, I'm only suggesting to think about such items, and if the emacs developers would see pieces that are useful to themselves, then do it.  I think someone who develops software tools s/he doesn't use her/himself leads to useless tools.


TJ

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Trey Jackson
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-- GNU's Bulletin, July 1996
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