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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattiase@acm.org>,
	"Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: rajeev@sivalik.com, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: Re: icalendar.el bug fix patch
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 16:50:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <197e1e7e-5cdc-f91d-bc1d-23fe10de8897@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E81C3456-834F-469D-B8CA-80B1CDD311F8@acm.org>

On 11/3/19 1:34 PM, Mattias Engdegård wrote:

> There are so many regexp engines these days that I can't keep track of them all, but there may be precedences elsewhere.

Some of the precedent discussed in this thread seems to be based on Perl, which 
introduced the "single-line" concept and which has notations like (?s:RE) to 
cause RE to operate in single-line mode which means '.' within RE matches any 
single character. However, Perl later added another escape '\N' which matches 
any single non-newline character even when single-line mode is in effect - which 
sounds a bit like piling one kludge atop another.

This remind me of Perl's using ^ and $ to mean either the beginning and end of 
text or the beginning and end of line, depending on whether Perl's m flag is in 
effect. Emacs solves this in a different and arguably better way, by using \` 
and \' for beginning and end of text instead. If we want to keep with this 
tradition, Emacs should use a separate escape sequence for "match any single 
character including newline".

On looking into what other systems do, I find that I prefer Vim's syntax of 
'\_.' to match any single character including newline. (Vim has other uses for 
\_ which we could decide separately whether to adopt.) Partly this is because \! 
might better be used to denote regular expression negation.

> Paul mentioned \! which would do, but I'm not sure if it was an off-the-cuff suggestion or a carefully considered proposal.
A bit of both. The choice of '\!' was off-the-cuff and on second thought it'd 
probably be better to use Vim's syntax, since it's a precedent and it leaves us 
better room for future extensions.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-11-04  0:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-23 13:33 icalendar.el bug fix patch Rajeev Narang via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-01  9:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-01 10:51   ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-11-01 13:00     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-01 11:12   ` Rajeev Narang via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-01 13:05     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-01 13:24       ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-11-01 13:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-01 21:19           ` Paul Eggert
2019-11-01 21:38             ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-11-02 18:39             ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-03 13:21               ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-03 16:55                 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-03 19:55               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-03 20:54                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-03 21:10                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-03 21:32                     ` Juri Linkov
     [not found]                     ` <E81C3456-834F-469D-B8CA-80B1CDD311F8@acm.org>
2019-11-04  0:50                       ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2019-11-04 11:56                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-11-04 15:16                           ` Drew Adams
2019-11-03  3:24             ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-03 16:54               ` Drew Adams
2019-11-01 16:44         ` Howard Melman
2019-11-01 14:30       ` Richard Stallman

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