all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Bjoern Bidar via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: 56967@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#56967: 29.0.50; Frequent crashes under Wayland
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 09:07:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1960570.AsxkkLRKGg@odin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875yj3sbj5.fsf@yahoo.com>

Am Montag, 8. August 2022, 05:40:30 EEST schrieb Po Lu:
> Bjoern Bidar <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de> writes:
> > I did I had my hole session running, nothing else had that issue.
> > I kept the GTK-Demo running nothing happened it ran just fine.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> > After a few hours Emacs exited with the same behaviour as explained in the
> > bug.
> 
> Do you see the same if you run Emacs as something other a daemon?

I didn't but I can try. Maybe something in the environment variables is 
different.

> > I on the #gtk channel on what do and I got from ebassi that it is ok to
> > just call _exit.
> > He says it might be the client behaving wrong:
> > <ebassi> Thaodan: It could happen because the client made an invalid
> > request— Wayland mandates that the display server closes the connection
> > in that case
> We don't make raw Wayland requests anywhere, so it must be a bug in GTK.
> 
> > <ebassi> And if you lose the socket then you'
> > <ebassi> you'll have to find the new one and reconnect
> > <ebassi> Thaodan: Only emacs does that
> > <ebassi> Pretty much literally
> > <Thaodan> "that"?
> > <ebassi> "app may run longer or before the compositor starts"
> > <ebassi> Because emacs is really a 1980s teletype app
> > <Thaodan> What does that change? calling _exit is not a solution.
> > <Thaodan> Lets assume the fault for this happening is emacs, what could
> > cause this?
> 
> Outdated information.  The PGTK port of Emacs doesn't do anything close
> to that, because GTK doesn't let us.

I guess that is his bias or prejudice about Emacs. 

> > <ebassi> Calling exit is perfectly acceptable: the display connection is
> > severed, and that can happen for multiple reasons, including the display
> > server going away
> > <ebassi> There's no "the display server is still running, but it closed
> > the
> > socket" mechanism for the toolkit to use
> 
> So why not use exit, which lets the atexit handlers run?
> 
> > <ebassi> The socket got closed
> > <ebassi> The toolkit terminates
> > <ebassi> Thaodan: It could happen because the client made an invalid
> > request— Wayland mandates that the display server closes the connection
> > in that case <ebassi> Or the display server decided to kill the client
> > because it was unresponsive
> > <Thaodan> Why should the toolkit/lib call exit isn't there any better
> > mechanism to doing such a thing in glib or gtk for that matter?
> > <Thaodan> It would be better to not need any hacks to prevent gtk from
> > killing apps.
> > <ebassi> Thaodan: There is no such mechanism
> > <Thaodan> ebassi: OK so what's the idea behind using _exit as a mechanism,
> > doesn't that break any other app that has state so safe too? like for
> > example an office application that wants to safe it's data before going
> > down. <ebassi> I already told you
> > <ebassi> If the display connection is closed by the server, then there's
> > no
> > safe way to store the data
> 
> Store the data that is in Emacs core??  How did these people learn to
> write software?

I don't know but with such ignorance I don't see why anyone wants to use GTK.










  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-08  6:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-04  7:36 bug#56967: 29.0.50; Frequent crashes under Wayland Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-04  8:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <3230275.qDoO4GC8Cx@odin>
2022-08-04  8:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-04 11:49       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  0:18         ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  0:50           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  6:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-05  6:28               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  6:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-05  6:53                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  7:46                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-05  8:26                       ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  8:38                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  6:56                 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  6:59                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05 11:40               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-05 11:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <2972937.jrzt3BHeHG@odin>
2022-08-05  6:29               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-07 14:51                 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-07 15:07                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 15:14                     ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-07 15:44                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08  2:42                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-08  2:40                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-08  6:07                     ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2022-08-08  8:56                     ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-08 10:10                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-13 12:10                       ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-13 12:10                       ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-13 13:11                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-12-13 17:06                           ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  6:31             ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found]             ` <2189728.upBv5HjrgE@odin>
2022-08-05  6:31               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found]             ` <1917872.q2Y8mqo1ke@odin>
2022-08-05  6:35               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  6:55                 ` Bjoern Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-05  7:01                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-11-17 16:02 ` Gavin Massingham
     [not found] <CAH3b6=SPM_Pys81fi-_Eu=VXO8mETqV+s0YFC+8c1huv4dmh9Q@mail.gmail.com>
2022-08-04 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-05  7:34   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1960570.AsxkkLRKGg@odin \
    --to=bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org \
    --cc=56967@debbugs.gnu.org \
    --cc=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de \
    --cc=luangruo@yahoo.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.