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From: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>
To: "Jan Djärv" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
Cc: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Locks on the Bzr repository
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:38:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19567.40614.937000.714861@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C6F9009.3030105@swipnet.se>

Jan Djärv writes:

> You are ignoring the fact that work usually doesn't happen in the bound 
> branch, but in a separate task branch.  We can continue to work there while 
> the bound branch commits.  I don't see much difference.

If there isn't "much difference" then why is push being discouraged?
You are arguing both ways, it seems to me.

If you use separate task branches then, yes, it doesn't make any
difference whether you use a bound branch or unbound.  So, there is no
reason to prefer one over the other.

If you want to work on the main branch rather than task branches, then
it does make an important difference, as Stephen and I have pointed
out.  Here, an unbound main branch is a lot more flexible and it will
reduce the contention on the central repo.

But this part of the thread is in reponse to Eli's post on the 20th,
especially his comment:

Eli Zaretskii writes:

> Plus, pushing many unrelated commits has a drawback as not showing in
> "bzr log" unless you also use the --include-merges (or -n0) switch,
> which makes "bzr log" significantly slower.

If Eli is trying to avoid levels in histories, then he *must be*
working on the main branch.  And, he is stung by the bound main
branch.  Using an unbound main branch will immediately improve
things.

Note that he also raised a logical problem.  If you open a separate
branch for your work, then you don't want to put many unrelated
commits in it.  That will make it appear as if they were related
commits at the top level.  Using bound branches will encourage people
to put unrelated commits in task branches.

Whichever way I look at it, I don't see any upside to using bound
branches, but plenty of downside.  So, I am surprised that emacs-devs
choose this mode of operation.

Cheers,
Uday



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-21  9:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-19 15:40 Locks on the Bzr repository Stefan Monnier
2010-08-19 15:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 16:07   ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 16:36     ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 20:06       ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 21:49         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20  6:22           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-20  7:40             ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20  8:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20  9:13                 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20  9:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 11:35                     ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 12:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 12:56                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-20 13:29                         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 14:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 10:15                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 11:39                   ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 12:42                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 12:23                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 12:52                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-20 13:33                     ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 14:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 15:31                         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-20 13:44                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 15:19                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 22:41                         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21  8:36                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21  9:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 10:30                               ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 10:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 10:47                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 17:04                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-22  7:39                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23  3:15                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2010-08-21  9:38                             ` Uday S Reddy [this message]
2010-08-21 10:30                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 10:37                               ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 10:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 12:51                                 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 13:02                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21 15:36                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22  7:39                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 17:10                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21  9:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 12:31                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 13:45                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 14:56                                 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 17:32                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-22  7:45                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 15:48                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 19:10                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 18:59                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-21 19:50                               ` Leo
2010-08-21 19:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 20:17                                   ` Leo
2010-08-21 20:31                                     ` Leo
2010-08-22  1:41                                   ` Tom Tromey
2010-08-22  1:47                                     ` Leo
2010-08-22 13:47                                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-22 13:53                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-22  6:52                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22  7:56                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22  8:28                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22  8:57                                       ` Leo
2010-08-22 15:11                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 19:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 21:51                                 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-21 22:38                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-22  9:03                                     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-22  9:36                                       ` Teemu Likonen
2010-08-22  9:44                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:25                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23  4:24                                         ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23  4:54                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23  7:52                                             ` Glenn Morris
2010-08-23 13:55                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24  4:32                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-24 13:30                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2010-08-24  4:32                                             ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23  9:55                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23  4:24                                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23  5:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23  7:58                                         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 10:31                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23 12:41                                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24  6:31                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 12:37                                                 ` Lluís
2010-08-24 13:05                                                   ` Lluís
2010-08-24 13:25                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-24 14:18                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 15:25                                                       ` Lluís
2010-08-24 14:10                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 15:02                                                     ` Lluís
2010-08-24 16:59                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24 21:27                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-24 16:42                                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 17:12                                                     ` Lluís
2010-08-24 18:47                                                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 14:05                                                 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-24 15:54                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-24 16:48                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-25 13:03                                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-25 13:32                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-31 21:33                                               ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-01  0:30                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-01  1:44                                                   ` Bernardo Barros
2010-09-01  2:36                                                     ` Miles Bader
2010-09-01  3:07                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-01  6:49                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-01 18:17                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-01 19:10                                                     ` Bastien
2010-09-02  5:22                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-02  6:31                                                         ` Bastien
2010-09-03  1:24                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2010-09-03  8:01                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-03  9:50                                                             ` Bastien
2010-09-03 13:58                                                               ` Karl Fogel
2010-08-25 20:25                                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27 15:36                                               ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-22  7:36                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22  8:52                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22  9:21                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22  9:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:14                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 11:47                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 11:13                               ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-22 13:13                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 17:10                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-21  2:29                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-20 16:08                 ` bzr smart server [was Re: Locks on the Bzr repository] Glenn Morris
2010-08-20 16:56                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-20 17:11                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 17:13                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-20 17:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 17:52                           ` bzr smart server David Kastrup
2010-08-20 17:12                   ` bzr smart server [was Re: Locks on the Bzr repository] Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-20 23:02                     ` bzr smart server Stefan Monnier
2010-08-21  8:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 13:22                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 15:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:09                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 17:28                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 13:46                         ` Miles Bader
2010-08-21 15:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 15:45                             ` Miles Bader
2010-08-21 15:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:16                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 17:28                                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-21 17:36                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21 17:40                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 14:00                         ` Eric Hanchrow
2010-08-21 14:06                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-21 14:24                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-21 15:12                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-21 17:12                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-22 17:06                       ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-20  4:44         ` Locks on the Bzr repository Miles Bader
2010-08-20  4:52           ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-20  6:22           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-19 16:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-19 16:54     ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-19 16:12 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 16:43   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-19 16:48     ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 17:08       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2010-08-19 17:32         ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-19 17:29   ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-19 21:42     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-20  9:06       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-21  9:37         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-19 16:26 ` Jay Belanger
2010-08-21 20:36 ` bzr send workflow (Was: Locks on the Bzr repository) Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-21 22:05   ` bzr send workflow Stefan Monnier
2010-08-21 22:48     ` Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-22  5:26     ` No ChangeLog's (was: bzr send workflow) Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22  8:11       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22  8:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 12:29     ` bzr send workflow Andreas Schwab
2010-08-22 13:14       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-22 14:52         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-23  4:24       ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-23  5:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-23  5:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-24  4:32           ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-25 15:03     ` Andy Wingo
2010-08-25 19:18       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-26 17:11         ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-26 17:26           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-27  5:20           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-27 11:27             ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-08-22  7:56   ` bzr send workflow (Was: Locks on the Bzr repository) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-22 11:11     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-22 13:44       ` bzr send workflow Miles Bader
2010-08-22 14:40     ` Bojan Nikolic
2010-08-23  4:14       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-23  5:33         ` Eli Zaretskii

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