From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:16:31 +0100 Message-ID: <19552.7119.130000.724249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874of466rj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pqxsbrie.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281367027 12369 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2010 15:17:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 09 17:17:02 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiU60-0004xq-6r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:17:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48612 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiU5z-0003ea-Jz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:16:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47630 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiU5t-0003eR-Ec for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:16:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiU5s-0002GS-6D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: from sun60.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.128.137]:60649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiU5s-0002Fd-0s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:16:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [147.188.128.127] (helo=bham.ac.uk) by sun60.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1OiU5l-0003rm-Nj; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:16:45 +0100 Original-Received: from mx1.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.192.53]) by bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiU5l-0002y0-Dq; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:16:45 +0100 Original-Received: from gromit.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.193.16] helo=MARUTI.cs.bham.ac.uk) by mx1.cs.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1OiU5l-0000xl-IM; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:16:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.1.92a under 23.2.1 [EmacsW32 Version 1.58 2010-08-02] (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128480 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > >> I really think you know: > >> > >> - Alt-TAB is very important, at least on w32. It switches application > >> (or rather application level window). > >> - Alt+Letter (or Alt and then Letter) is used to open menus. > > But one important thing to notice is that on w32 there is one window > manager (with just small variations relevant here). This means that > most people on w32 expects the common standards to work, especially > those above. (I.e. if they are keyboard users and I guess those > interested in Emacs are that.) I am not sure that this is a clincher argument. The "common standards" apply equally to the windows-key, which you are proposing to give up. The point is that one has to use one kind of modifier keys (either the alt-keys or windows-keys) for the Emacs meta-key. It would be good to provide the users with a choice in this regard. Cheers, Uday