From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:13:21 +0100 Message-ID: <19551.47265.926000.937412@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.30901.687000.971249@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19546.47167.15000.439215@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87fwys7qao.fsf@telefonica.net> <87hbj8qvd9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281341639 7144 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2010 08:13:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 09 10:13:56 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiNUZ-0001Jn-TZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 10:13:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47769 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiNUZ-0005nB-1e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 04:13:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38461 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiNUL-0005li-7n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 04:13:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiNUJ-0005xd-Hw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 04:13:40 -0400 Original-Received: from sun61.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.128.150]:50220) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiNUJ-0005xE-Dr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 04:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [147.188.128.127] (helo=bham.ac.uk) by sun61.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1OiNUF-0003uc-PH; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:13:35 +0100 Original-Received: from mx1.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.192.53]) by bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OiNUF-0002tC-FQ; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:13:35 +0100 Original-Received: from gromit.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.193.16] helo=MARUTI.cs.bham.ac.uk) by mx1.cs.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1OiNUF-0005pu-GV; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 09:13:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87iq3k68ye.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.1.92a under 23.2.1 [EmacsW32 Version 1.58 2010-08-02] (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128456 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: > > I agree. After having thought about for a day, I realize that it is a > > perfectly logical thing to map Windows keys to Meta. It is wasted > > keyboard real estate otherwise. > > No, this is too idiosyncratic to make it the default. I don't think I ever said that the Windows keys should be made meta-keys by "default". I am only suggesting it as an option. Whether it is idiosyncratic, I don't know. As far as I know the only function of the Windows keys on Win32 is to invoke the start menu, which can already be done using C-Esc. I myself never use the Windows keys for anything and find them annoying because they are located at a strategic place on the keyboard, next to the Alt-keys. I end up pressing them often while trying to press an Alt-key. I have thought of disabling them many times, but I haven't invested the time to figure out how. If Lennart knows how to make them turn into Meta-keys, it seems like it is worthwhile doing it. > Doesn't the Windows world have some equivalent of `xmodmap'? That's the > conceptually correct way to handle this. I will look into that. It seems possible to map the Windows key to an Alt-key using key remapping (which can be done via Windows registry). But that might not achieve much, because Emacs will end up interpreting both sets of Alt-keys as Meta-keys. There is still work to do at the Emacs end. Cheers, Uday