From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uday S Reddy Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:36:16 +0100 Message-ID: <19545.20656.500000.91025@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <19534.1494.627000.357123@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19537.40472.267000.563053@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <176EDAD3B9E54E39870FA3F84A5DDF3C@us.oracle.com> <19542.56658.583000.394397@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19544.1015.468000.280770@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <87lj8nsndb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <19545.14451.62000.682223@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <19545.19472.187000.199606@gargle.gargle.HOWL> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280921811 7452 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2010 11:36:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Uday S Reddy , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Drew Adams , joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas Schwab Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 04 13:36:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgcHA-0003Kn-Mg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:36:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46897 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgcH9-0003fL-V4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58730 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgcH4-0003fG-LM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:36:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgcH3-0003om-Gc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from sun60.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.128.137]:62645) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OgcH3-0003oN-CT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:36:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [147.188.128.127] (helo=bham.ac.uk) by sun60.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1OgcGy-0005AR-PH; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:36:36 +0100 Original-Received: from mx1.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.192.53]) by bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OgcGy-0004wl-FO; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:36:36 +0100 Original-Received: from gromit.cs.bham.ac.uk ([147.188.193.16] helo=MARUTI.cs.bham.ac.uk) by mx1.cs.bham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1OgcGy-0006JA-GK; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:36:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.1.92a under 23.2.1 [EmacsW32 Version 1.58 2010-08-02] (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128229 Archived-At: Andreas Schwab writes: > So you have to remember menu entries. Big deal. Key bindings don't > change with the text in the menu entries, and are customizable. That is exactly the kind of resistance that people are complaining about. It may not be a big deal for you, but it might be for others. Further, I don't think the argument has validity. You don't have to "remember" the menu entries. You can see them! At least in Emacs, menubars are just as customizable as key bindings are. Or, did I get it wrong? Cheers, Uday