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From: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Uday S Reddy <u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk>,
	"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Key bindings proposal
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:36:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19545.20656.500000.91025@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3wrs6sjkp.fsf@hase.home>

Andreas Schwab writes:

> So you have to remember menu entries.  Big deal.  Key bindings don't
> change with the text in the menu entries, and are customizable.

That is exactly the kind of resistance that people are complaining
about.  It may not be a big deal for you, but it might be for others.  

Further, I don't think the argument has validity.  You don't have to
"remember" the menu entries.  You can see them!

At least in Emacs, menubars are just as customizable as key bindings
are.  Or, did I get it wrong?

Cheers,
Uday



  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-04 11:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 277+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-26 22:01 Key bindings proposal [Was: Emacs learning curve] Uday S Reddy
2010-07-27  3:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 10:32 ` Key bindings proposal Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 11:30   ` Eric M. Ludlam
2010-07-27 11:32   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 12:03     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 16:41       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-27 23:32         ` Miles Bader
2010-07-29 14:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 16:41       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-27 17:52         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-28  5:57           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-28 18:32             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29  5:47               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-29 15:28   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29 16:05     ` Andreas Röhler
2010-07-31  7:16     ` Mathias Dahl
2010-07-31 10:04       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-31 14:07         ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-07-31 18:17         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-02 14:59           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-02 17:59             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-02 18:10               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03  9:45                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-03 10:02                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03  2:09               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-03 11:56               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 14:04                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-03 15:02                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:16                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-03 15:54                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:18                     ` David Kastrup
2010-08-03 15:51                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-03 15:58                         ` no forking relation (was: Key bindings proposal) Drew Adams
2010-08-05  8:39                   ` Key bindings proposal Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05  9:22                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 11:00                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 11:24                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 12:16                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:59                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 14:07                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:10                         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 13:13                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-05 13:22                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 13:48                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 14:01                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 14:01                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 17:08                                   ` Uday S Reddy
     [not found]                                 ` <19546.51009.703000.960158@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
2010-08-05 14:18                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  0:50                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06  1:28                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  1:35                                 ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06  1:41                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  1:58                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:16                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-06  2:38                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:34                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  2:55                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  3:11                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  6:05                                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-06 15:07                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06 15:29                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-05 20:33                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-05 21:26                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 22:55                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  0:05                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-06  7:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-06  3:21                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  3:25                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-06  5:22                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  6:21                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2010-08-06  5:09                               ` Miles Bader
2010-08-06  9:02                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06 17:32                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 17:46                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-06 18:40                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-06 19:13                                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-06 19:04                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-08 22:22                                 ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-08 22:29                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-08 23:06                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-08-08 23:09                                     ` Chong Yidong
     [not found]                                       ` <AANLkTim86uB8Yb3P9_HX2NN=RQ6svVTvXfyvUQfAJAnE@mail.gmail! .com>
2010-08-08 23:19                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-08 23:42                                         ` Chong Yidong
     [not found]                                           ` <AANLkTikRWNmYsEqJX7ccPFGsBobNLkeYRY+1BvnBDOt9! @mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                           ` <AANLkTikRWNmYsEqJX7ccPFGsBobNLkeYRY+1BvnBDOt9!! @mail.gmail.com>
2010-08-09 14:50                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-09 15:16                                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-09 16:08                                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-10  7:30                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-12 15:21                                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-12 15:46                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-12 16:13                                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-12 15:59                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-12 21:20                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-12 21:57                                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-12 22:06                                                     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-12 22:12                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-12 23:02                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-12 23:11                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13  8:57                                                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 14:42                                                         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 14:57                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:09                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 16:15                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 17:40                                                                 ` David Robinow
2010-08-14  0:01                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 16:07                                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 22:34                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:01                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14  9:23                                                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 22:53                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  7:08                                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 15:37                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-13 15:46                                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 16:50                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-13 20:32                                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 22:37                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13 23:30                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-13 23:53                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:21                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-15 22:21                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:00                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14  0:25                                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-14  2:05                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-14 10:20                                                                   ` Jeff Clough
2010-08-14  7:48                                                             ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-14  8:18                                                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-15 22:27                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-16  7:25                                                           ` christian.lynbech
2010-08-16  7:37                                                             ` Miles Bader
2010-08-13 16:01                                                       ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-13 22:40                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-13 22:46                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:04                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-13 16:53                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14  0:41                                                           ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14  1:24                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-14  2:13                                                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14  2:02                                                             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-13 22:43                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-14  0:30                                                         ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-14 12:07                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-14 13:56                                                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-09  1:01                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-08-09  8:48                                           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-09  8:13                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-10  7:52                                   ` Uday Reddy
2010-08-13  9:05                                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 15:54                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04  9:52                   ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 10:20                     ` joakim
2010-08-04 10:52                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:11                         ` joakim
2010-08-04 11:25                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:44                             ` joakim
2010-08-04 13:24                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 13:29                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:19                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-04 11:27                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 13:27                             ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 13:45                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 11:16                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 11:28                         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 11:36                           ` Uday S Reddy [this message]
2010-08-04 12:03                             ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 12:09                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 12:13                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-04 12:17                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-04 12:33                               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 16:19                                 ` Tom
2010-08-04 17:38                                   ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-05  2:39                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05  8:16                                       ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-05  8:34                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05 11:55                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 12:20                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05 12:37                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 12:47                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-05  2:28                                   ` Chong Yidong
2010-08-05  3:14                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05  7:46                                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-05 15:17                                         ` David Kastrup
2010-08-06  3:12                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-06  5:54                                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-06  6:20                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-05 14:01                                     ` Richard Stallman
2010-08-05 14:55                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-04 14:06                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 13:53                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 13:15                       ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-04 10:54                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 11:25                       ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-04 14:25                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-04 15:21                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-08-04 15:45                         ` joakim
2010-08-04 12:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-02  9:42         ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-02 10:58           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-02 11:17             ` Stuart Hacking
2010-08-02 11:58               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03  3:03                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-02 10:12         ` Tassilo Horn
2010-08-02 11:24           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 13:45       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 14:14         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-23 20:56           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 21:15             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-23 22:36               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-24 13:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 15:20                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2010-08-24 16:38                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-25 13:47                     ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-23 14:39         ` Drew Adams
2010-08-23 20:45           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 13:50           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-24 16:34             ` Drew Adams
2010-08-25 13:48               ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-25 15:07                 ` Drew Adams
2010-08-26 23:22                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27 12:10                     ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-27 22:38                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-28  0:01                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-28  7:28                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-08-30 14:37                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-30 15:34                               ` Drew Adams
2010-08-30 15:39                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-30 15:53                                   ` Drew Adams
2010-08-30 16:06                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-30 15:54                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-30 21:39                                 ` Davis Herring
2010-08-31  5:49                                   ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-31  9:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-31 12:14                                       ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-31 21:25                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-28  9:25                           ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28  1:02                         ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28  9:20                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28  9:23                           ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28  9:41                             ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28 10:13                               ` Jason Rumney
2010-08-28 10:58                                 ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-28 23:16                                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-29  7:46                                     ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-29 11:58                                       ` David Kastrup
2010-08-29 12:24                                         ` Jan Djärv
2010-08-25 16:34                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-26 23:23                   ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27  0:17                     ` Miles Bader
2010-08-27 22:38                       ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27  8:56           ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 17:10         ` Andreas Schwab
2010-08-27  8:18         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-27 22:34           ` Juri Linkov
2010-08-27 23:12             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-08-28 23:27               ` Juri Linkov
2010-07-30  2:04   ` coding guidelines? (was Re: Key bindings proposal) Joe Brenner
2010-07-30  8:33     ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-30  9:32     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-31 19:19       ` Joe Brenner
2010-07-31 19:45         ` Joe Brenner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-29  0:08 Key bindings proposal [Was: Emacs learning curve] Noah Lavine
2010-07-29 11:26 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-07-29 12:21   ` Key bindings proposal joakim
2010-07-29 14:16     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-08-03 20:10 MON KEY
2010-08-03 22:19 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-03 20:39 MON KEY
2010-08-04  0:11 ` Lennart Borgman
     [not found] <0LflI2-1PHZPs2uvS-00oe0Z@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-13 10:21 ` Xah Lee
2010-08-13 11:32 grischka
2010-08-13 12:49 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-13 20:24   ` grischka
2010-08-14  6:37     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-14  7:59       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-08-14  9:39         ` Uday S Reddy
2010-08-23 13:45       ` Juri Linkov
     [not found] <0LpLKf-1PMJpV3jOf-00eqos@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-13 17:40 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0LuegS-1Osh2D2A3E-00zozI@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14  0:14 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0MKXcd-1OjFjG3Si7-001yF5@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14  0:18 ` Xah Lee
     [not found] <0LyWQo-1Ovn6v30nm-01699h@mx.perfora.net>
2010-08-14 15:19 ` Xah Lee

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