From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:57:03 -0700 Message-ID: <193A25DA-1B82-4962-A11D-2CA49A0A674A@mit.edu> References: <87hajxqlly.fsf@yandex.ru> <20130401202613.0b4201e3@anarchist> <878v51aa2l.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <80939D90-D007-4828-A622-C264E5FE27EB@mit.edu> <834nfoki0i.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364925436 18353 80.91.229.3 (2 Apr 2013 17:57:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 17:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org Development" To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 02 19:57:43 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5Sn-0002FQ-Ve for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:57:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37329 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5SP-0005hN-Dh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:57:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33477) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5SH-0005Y5-U9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:57:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5S8-0002XD-PQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:57:09 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu ([18.9.25.14]:49551) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UN5S8-0002X9-MH; Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:57:00 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190e-b7f266d0000008cb-be-515b1bec4f80 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 4A.F8.02251.CEB1B515; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id r32Huxc8014683; Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:57:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.10] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.148.125]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id r32HuuSU012604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:56:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <834nfoki0i.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrLIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrPtGOjrQ4PdxcYuXV44yWzxe8ITV gcmjbZpZAGMUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0CV8a1k92sBY2cFYfuT2NvYJzH3sXIwSEhYCKxot2oi5ET yBSTuHBvPVsXIxeHkMA+RomXO5czQjgbGCV231/FDlIlJHCMSWJxOyOIzSygJXHj30smEJtX QE/i2revYDXCAv4STS1vmEAWsAnIAE3VAAlzCqhKdK9+yQZiswioSKx7vZAZYoy1xM+2t2wQ trzE9rdzmCFGWkm8+fKCFeKGVUwSRy/+ZgVJiAgoSNx9eZsR4mpZidfP37BMYBScheSkWUhO moVk7gJG5lWMsim5Vbq5iZk5xanJusXJiXl5qUW6xnq5mSV6qSmlmxjBISvJt4Px60GlQ4wC HIxKPLwFn6IChVgTy4orcw8xSnIwKYny5klFBwrxJeWnVGYkFmfEF5XmpBYfYpTgYFYS4Y3b CVTOm5JYWZValA+TkuZgURLnvZJy019IID2xJDU7NbUgtQgmK8PBoSTBOwlkqGBRanpqRVpm TglCmomDE2Q4D9DwWpAa3uKCxNzizHSI/ClGXY629s+vGIVY8vLzUqXEeR+DFAmAFGWU5sHN gaWaV4ziQG8J8zaCVPEA0xTcpFdAS5iAliy7FQ6ypCQRISXVwDjz4t9dNsohmWsr+c/LnGDV ipSYlq3pe8nUdl/D8taD009npF53CHKZd/pLR5TB1wqOuV5b58dem3g48bFYy1SfmuIKkcmG Cd/jWwpfCsxcbbDUct/U3Wly727OW2txZSGjRPt9yxOzZTnvnjv4JzA71/Jb0KOb X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 18.9.25.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158557 Archived-At: On 02 Apr 2013, at 09:35, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > That reminds me of another project I'm familiar with: Emacs. When people submit patches to emacs, they typically get feedback of some sort within a few days. This lets potential contributors "get their feet wet" with small changes while learning the ins and outs of the system and the development process. This does not seem to be the case with bzr; that's specifically why I mentioned it. > If I were reasoning like you do, I'd never have written the > bidirectional display code. The bidi engine wasn't your first submission to Emacs, of course. Imagine if you'd decided to start work on bidi just after multi-tty landed, that you'd never worked on the project before, and then add that nobody responds to your patches. That's a closer analogy to bzr at the moment. I'm trying to help people (after rms asked) understand why, perhaps, bzr development is in it's current sorry state. I clearly stated up front that I was speculating and generalizing from my own observations, rather than stating some truths about the universe. I hope that helps. ~Chad