From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: nickrob@snap.net.nz (Nick Roberts) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: bug#4375: 23.1.50; can't kill killed gud buffer Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:03:54 +1200 Message-ID: <19112.53002.590726.359903@totara.tehura.co.nz> References: <87ljkp79u1.fsf@tnei.co.uk> <19110.57126.832288.236368@totara.tehura.co.nz> <4AA757B4.7090204@tnei.co.uk> <19111.29024.69183.195599@totara.tehura.co.nz> <5E16B510-DCCD-4E1D-8521-09938048182F@swipnet.se> <19111.36343.669900.640184@totara.tehura.co.nz> <19112.9315.801126.825982@totara.tehura.co.nz> <34B7CAAB-80E6-4106-B896-96A82F028AE5@swipnet.se> Reply-To: Nick Roberts , 4375@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252590441 3796 80.91.229.12 (10 Sep 2009 13:47:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org" , Robert Marshall To: "Jan D." 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Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8ADZpEQ003218 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:35:52 -0700 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:34380 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MljoU-0004Vu-C7 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:35:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MljoS-0002Gf-33 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:35:49 -0400 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.25]:51042) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MljoR-0002GT-Ay for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:35:47 -0400 Original-Received: from totara (unknown [123.255.29.50]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AD73DAEB9; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:03:56 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by totara (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D75AC164; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:03:54 +1200 (NZST) In-Reply-To: <34B7CAAB-80E6-4106-B896-96A82F028AE5@swipnet.se> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.2.1 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:47:06 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:30926 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:25041 Archived-At: > > I wondered what was preventing Jan from using GDB 7.0. > > > > Different things. Policy for one, i.e. the tools to use are version > controlled locally. Much work for another. Many older distros will > never upgrade Gdb. To compile it on many machines is a big job (I > don't mind doing it for Emacs since I test and develop Emacs). Maybe your use pattern, i.e. Emacs in CVS and old GDB, is somewhat unusual. I would expect most users to have released versions of both programs, probably those which are included in their distribution. > IMHO this 7.0 requirement will make gdb-mode useless for the majority > of users. Do we even know if 7.0 is released before 23.2 is? The > strength of gdb-mode in the past is that you just did M-x gdb and it > worked with whatever Gdb version you had. I expect GDB 7.0 to be released before Emacs 23.2 in which case it's likely that when 23.2 is bundled with a distribution that will include 7.0 too. I'm more concerned about the quality of the mode being worthy for inclusion in the release. In any case, at the moment we're talking about bleeding edge Emacs in CVS. I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect such a version to be stable enough to debug itself and it would seem more natural to use a release version for such a purpose. I don't think that requiring 7.0 will make gdb-mode useless but, in truth, I don't know who uses it, or how they use it. I guess that would need a poll and even then those that repond are likely to be unrepresentative. and: > ... that M-x gdb should be gud-gdb and the new mode should have > another name. At least until Gdb 7.0 isn't so new and uncommon. I think that to swap back now that Emacs 23.1 has been released will only cause confusion. > Most people don't read NEWS. No, but hopefully they will read the documentation. If not, then all is pretty much lost anyway. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob