From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Aidan Kehoe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Status of IPA patch? Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:35:59 +0100 Message-ID: <19095.20639.983609.638911@parhasard.net> References: <4A807E29.1030405@gmail.com> <19072.33612.609778.383349@parhasard.net> <19091.42502.25570.15813@parhasard.net> <871vmz39dk.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1251430586 32748 80.91.229.12 (28 Aug 2009 03:36:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:36:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Oleksandr Gavenko , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 28 05:36:18 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MgsGA-0007Wc-CD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:36:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56377 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MgsG9-00039l-88 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:36:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MgsG4-00039f-Av for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:36:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MgsFy-00039O-MG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:36:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55946 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MgsFy-00039L-J3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:36:06 -0400 Original-Received: from daedalus.ipv4.asclepian.ie ([213.133.100.226]:50690 helo=daedalus.asclepian.ie) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MgsFy-0008S8-52 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:36:06 -0400 Original-Received: by daedalus.asclepian.ie (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 74ED8B834; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:36:00 +0100 (IST) In-Reply-To: <871vmz39dk.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" 2c64d2bbb316 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-freebsd7.2) X-Echelon-distraction: rail gun The ArTful Dodger TIE JASON 3P-HV SAPT X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:114718 Archived-At: Ar an t-ocht=C3=BA l=C3=A1 is fiche de m=C3=AD L=C3=BAnasa, scr=C3=ADobh= Juri Linkov:=20 > > > The omission of those two was intentional, since U+20A7 is > > > equivalent to t=CA=83 (note that that digraph doesn=E2=80=99t inc= lude the tie > > > that would be necessary to have it as a phoneme distinct from /t/ > > > followed by /=CA=83/) and g is equivalent to U+0261 for the purpo= ses of > > > the IPA. >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t understand why do you omit U+20A7 and U+0261 if they e= xist in > X-SAMPA and Kirshenbaum? The IPA standards (which X-SAMPA and Kirshenbaum build on) define _U+20A7= _ and _U+0261_ as being equivalent to _a succession of U+0074 and U+0283_, = and _U+0067_, respectively. The former two code points just represent compatibility glyphs (with U+20A7 leading to needless confusion, since people might reasonably believe that it meant the same as U+0074 U+2040 U+0283, including the tie I mention above). Kirshenbaum mentions ASCII g as mapping to both U+0067 and U+0261 without comment. Including both would not add to the semantic range of what the u= ser can input (in terms of the IPA), and would again be needlessly confusing (the user types g; wonders if 0 or 1 is more appropriate; when it doesn=E2= =80=99t actually matter, and U+0067 is always more certain to be preserved by software). Kirshenbaum ignores U+20A7. X-SAMPA ignores both U+20A7 and the U+0067 vs. U+0261 question.=20 --=20 =C2=BFD=C3=B3nde estar=C3=A1 ahora mi sobrino Yoghurtu Nghe, que tuvo que= huir precipitadamente de la aldea por culpa de la escasez de rinocerontes?