From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Herb Martin" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: MS Windows "Alt-Menu" support Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:50:21 GMT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <18MYa.150443$XV.7969330@twister.austin.rr.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1060349074 28495 80.91.224.253 (8 Aug 2003 13:24:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 08 15:24:59 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19l7Eo-0004DO-00 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:24:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19l5wS-0000ct-Aq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:01:56 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!cyclone.socal.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!twister.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.68.35.132 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com Original-X-Trace: twister.austin.rr.com 1060343421 66.68.35.132 (Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:50:21 CDT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:50:21 CDT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:115749 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:11668 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:11668 [Thanks to everyone who was responding and thinking it through with me....I appreciate it. I am actually responding to everyone who tried to help (so far) in this one message.] > Maybe you could try freeing the left "flying window" key (if you have > a Windows version there this is possible) for that purpose. See That is a pretty good idea but as far as I know that WinKey is "desktop global" and would require applet code outside of emacs and mess up things like minimize all windows, run apps, etc. (I actually use the silly thing and even have such program which let's me map more keys to it to run stuff.) Also, it would have to work for all "arbitrary" Menu items and that doesn't seem likely. Peter says, avoid the menus, but like some of you now have the Meta keys in your DNA, Alt-F Save and such are embedded in my HANDS as neural networks my brain does not have to consider. I tend to use menus without the mouse; using the hot/accelerator keys. F10 seems to be the best "general" solution so far. Oh, well, new DNA for me. Javier's nice little "simulate-Alt-tap" function (the name actually) gave me the idea that what might work best was a "alt-release" does the menus" and otherwise it's a Meta key (or maybe alt-double-tap as an option) Because most of us never notice but Alt-F on Windows can be Alt THEN F and it works just fine for File. So we differentate Meta-Key from Alt then Key and only a small DNA adaptation is needed for the hueman. Now I have to figure out how to do that and how to add accelerators to SOME of the menu settings -- I just noticed that the 'accelerators' are "Start Menu" style where the first "S" goes to the first, then second etc, rather than being an auto S-selection UNLESS there is only one.... Ok, general principle "don't fight it" unless it's necessary, and the accelerator behavior might be BETTER -- I use that in the Start Menus anyway. Anyone who read this far, thanks for thinking it through.