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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258300 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_C3ACA3EB-AD16-42AC-A2AB-48F93C4C612D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >=20 > AFAIR, there are some non-trivial aspects here, some of them political > and even ideological. There's PRC and there's ROC (a.k.a. Taiwan), > and I'm not sure what will each group say about the proposed changes. >=20 > So unless we have a representative group of Chinese speakers from both > camps (traditional and simplified), and they agree on some change > without any controversies, I'd rather not touch this ticking bomb with > a 3-mile stick. The current text might not be 100% accurate, but it > has been there for many years. I'd rather not risk causing a > diplomatic incident by a change in Emacs. Indeed, many people are (unreasonably) sensitive on that area. (Of = course, Cantonese is spoken in HonKong, not Taiwan, so the proposed = change aren=E2=80=99t really related to Taiwan, but still.) Yuan= --Apple-Mail=_C3ACA3EB-AD16-42AC-A2AB-48F93C4C612D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

AFAIR, there = are some non-trivial aspects here, some of them political
and even = ideological.  There's PRC and there's ROC (a.k.a. = Taiwan),
and I'm not = sure what will each group say about the proposed changes.

So unless we = have a representative group of Chinese speakers from both
camps = (traditional and simplified), and they agree on some change
without any = controversies, I'd rather not touch this ticking bomb with
a 3-mile = stick.  The current text might not be 100% accurate, but = it
has been = there for many years.  I'd rather not risk causing a
diplomatic = incident by a change in Emacs.

Indeed, many people are (unreasonably) = sensitive on that area. (Of course, Cantonese is spoken in HonKong, not = Taiwan, so the proposed change aren=E2=80=99t really related to Taiwan, = but still.)

Yuan
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