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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301818 Archived-At: >> Wait, what constitutes of cl-lib dialect? Do you mean things like = cl-defun? >> I hope using cl-loop and cl-reduce, cl-remove-if and the like = doesn=E2=80=99t make >> code harder to read. >=20 > I think `cl-loop` does :-( > `cl-reduce` and `cl-remove-if` are less problematic since they are > functions, >=20 > `cl-defun` is probably fine as long as you just use `&key`, but things = like > `&aux` or destructuring are likely to make the code just harder to = read. >>=20 >> Wait, what constitutes of cl-lib dialect? Do you mean things like = cl-defun? I hope using cl-loop and cl-reduce, cl-remove-if and the like = doesn=E2=80=99t make code harder to read. >=20 > Yes, cl-loop is one of the worst offenders in my eyes. If I want to > use Fortran or C, I will use Fortran or C; I don't want to see Fortran > for-loops in Emacs Lisp. Darn it! I loved cl-loop :-) I=E2=80=99ll curb my use of cl-loop in = Emacs codebase. Yuan=