From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Rogers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:29:53 -0400 Message-ID: <18979.1249.47148.538392@rgr.rgrjr.com> References: <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87eiudewtq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831vqdubqy.fsf@gnu.org> <6161f3180905270548t3012bc1ah161719ae01db0fb5@mail.gmail.com> <87prdpky0x.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243809027 28929 80.91.229.12 (31 May 2009 22:30:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 01 00:30:24 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MAtXq-0007aL-4x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:30:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44944 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MAtXp-0002CW-2O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:30:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MAtXa-0002AG-Uo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MAtXU-00021r-5V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:30:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=32945 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MAtXT-00021M-QG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:29:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rgrjr.com ([216.146.47.5]:53695) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MAtXT-0005nS-4W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:29:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rgrjr.dyndns.org (c-66-30-196-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [66.30.196.77]) by rgrjr.com (Postfix on CentOS) with ESMTP id D59A916014C for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 22:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: (qmail 17048 invoked by uid 89); 31 May 2009 22:29:57 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO rgr.rgrjr.com) (192.168.57.1) by home with SMTP; 31 May 2009 22:29:57 -0000 Original-Received: by rgr.rgrjr.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id B1DAE4862D; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:29:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87prdpky0x.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-Mailer: VM viewmail-600 under 23.0.93.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111226 Archived-At: From: Miles Bader Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 02:00:46 +0900 Andreas Schwab writes: >> Maybe that is an idea, bind the line-move-visual behaviour to M-n/M-p >> or just the arrow keys (maybe someone suggested this already). What >> do people think? > > The arrow keys should always behave the same as their C- counterparts. Yes. Making them different would make things _more_ confusing (and moreover, would discourage newbies from moving away from arrow keys -- suddenly they wouldn't be simply a different binding, but would be "the same thing except randomly different to stop a bunch of emacs old-timers from whining"). -Miles Why do you suppose an Emacs newbie would expect the arrow keys to be the same as C-n/C-p? Personally, I would welcome binding visual movement to the arrow keys -- the arrows do *look* visual, especially compared to C-n/C-p. And it would make it much easier to switch between the two modes of movement if the visual/textual distinction was supported by distinct commands bound to distinct keys. -- Bob Rogers http://www.rgrjr.com/