From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bolega Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Rapidly navigating buffers using search Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <189683ce-87e4-40ba-ab73-03a223a98f64@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com> References: <20100707064305.GF31621@groll.co.za> <20100707080139.GA18906@groll.co.za> <9dc07ed9-f6f1-4ac5-949a-5b97368cc32a@n19g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <87mxu22rbc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291844720 12997 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 21:45:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:45:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 22:45:16 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQRp6-0002Sv-4i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:45:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41135 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQRp5-0008IL-Bx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:45:15 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.text.tex Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.31.69.59 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1278611970 3737 127.0.0.1 (8 Jul 2010 17:59:30 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.31.69.59; posting-account=REkl4woAAABFXaU7nL79XtGpnmNCQ415 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:179627 comp.emacs:100162 comp.text.tex:404525 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:76070 Archived-At: On Jul 8, 3:36=A0am, David Kastrup wrote: > > In a way, it is a losing battle. =A0People expect software to just work > without reading manuals. =A095% of all Word users, for example, create > their documents by mostly visual manipulation of their text without > having a clue about underlying structures like references, style sheets > and so on. =A0The result is unmaintainable crap, but they would not know > better. =A0Word tries keeping up in this battle of computer illiteracy by > doing things like enumerations, styles and so on "automagically", > second-guessing the user, and the user tries second-guessing Word in > order to get around that. > > It is an escalation of mutual cluelessness. =A0The more userfriendly a > piece of software becomes, the more this becomes a problem for > _competent_ people willing to learn about their tool. =A0At least Emacs i= s > at its heart and in most of its modes a WYSIWYG system with regard to > the actual file contents: regardless of the crap people do, what ends up > on disk is that what they see on their screen. > Rare pearls of wisdom ... from DK. The new interface of office 2007 with tabs instead of pull-down menu is a lot better in terms of visual throughput. A wysiwig editor with a good markup or definition language can go a long way to educate the user about the underlying features while at the same time providing user-friendly convenience. Things are certainly progressing in this direction. I have not used LyX but I have heard that it is wysiwig with the option of viewing code in various representations.