From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "T. V. Raman" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: line-line-move-visual: was line motion problem Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:39:12 -0700 Message-ID: <18569.55168.392089.321434@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <18557.63556.231489.523637@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <5F62534C-D5CE-4364-8F73-E1AE0D61B4E2@gmail.com> Reply-To: raman@users.sf.net NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216993196 14672 80.91.229.12 (25 Jul 2008 13:39:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, raman@users.sourceforge.net To: david.reitter@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 25 15:40:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMNWx-0002gI-5C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:40:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43411 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMNW3-0007Cn-G2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMNVv-0007BD-Ng for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMNVu-0007Af-0G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60563 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMNVt-0007Ac-TD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:17 -0400 Original-Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.40]:52481) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMNVt-0006us-Es for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:17 -0400 Original-Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uBtH1Z00A0FhH24A4DfD89; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:39:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([71.202.191.236]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uDfC1Z00F56Ur8v8UDfCsg; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:39:13 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JFFE2i9Fl-cA:10 a=XPtRCxA_nRcA:10 a=2z1OXlWFAAAA:8 a=FZRR54HRLMNCy3uJRJ0A:9 a=xKmOQ1V99-d6htjTqPoA:9 a=NCsz_e4Amg53BmQVTYoFatjxj_cA:4 a=5o1NfpFvE1MA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Original-Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7D78412A4101; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:39:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5F62534C-D5CE-4364-8F73-E1AE0D61B4E2@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM alpha-479 under Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) x-attribution: tvr X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101457 Archived-At: I think changing the behavior of the arrow keys and c-n / c-p to default to the behavior from visual-line-mode is simply too drastic a change for Emacs. It should be customizable, and once a minor mode, come with a turn-on-visual-mode that users can place on various hooks. >>>>> "David" == David Reitter writes: David> On 16 Jul 2008, at 12:26, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> >> Yes, it should be a define-minor-mode (with name ending in >> "-mode"). Can someone make this change? David> David> David> What do we conclude from the discussion related to David> this? David> David> My understanding is that we were going to have visual David> navigation (arrow keys, C-n, C-p) default to on, and David> leave default behavior of C- a and C-e as is, with David> some code (from the visual-line-mode that I posted) to David> optionally remap C-a and C-e to visual navigation as David> it is sensible in text modes. David> David> Should this be one minor mode that defaults to on, or David> should we have two minor modes then? Also, should C-a David> and C-e default to the visual mode in all text modes? David> (Would that just go in text-mode-hook?) David> David> David> -- Best Regards, --raman Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs