From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: pretest, devel and bug lists Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:45:56 +1200 Message-ID: <18493.10708.595545.98890@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <874p8iq121.fsf@escher.local.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1211967984 3291 80.91.229.12 (28 May 2008 09:46:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 28 11:47:04 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K1IFL-0003zR-Ga for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 11:47:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57776 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K1IEa-00020I-07 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 05:46:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K1IET-000209-Lf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 05:46:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K1IES-0001zn-1G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 05:46:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35431 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K1IER-0001zk-LB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 05:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from viper.snap.net.nz ([202.37.101.25]:40934) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K1IER-0002zR-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 May 2008 05:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (179.62.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz [123.255.62.179]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04CF3DA56F; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:46:01 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5DD798FC6D; Wed, 28 May 2008 21:45:57 +1200 (NZST) In-Reply-To: <874p8iq121.fsf@escher.local.home> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.2.50.2 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97884 Archived-At: Stephen Berman writes: > On Tue, 27 May 2008 20:49:07 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> If things sent to emacs-pretest-bug are being fed into a bug tracker > >> and sent to bug-gnu-emacs, then I would say there is no need for > >> copies to _also_ be sent to emacs-devel. > > > > AFAIK messages sent to bug-gnu-emacs pass through the bug-tracker, but > > not messages sent to emacs-pretest-bug (which are redirected to > > emacs-devel instead). > > Since (and because) this redirection was instituted I have usually sent > bug reports directly to emacs-devel, except where I thought it was more > helpful or convenient to use report-emacs-bug. > > > I think this should be changed so that messages sent to > > emacs-pretest-bug do not go to emacs-devel any more but go to the > > bug-tracker instead. > > If this is done, should *no* bug reports be sent any longer to > emacs-devel (and if they were, would that lower their chances of getting > attended to)? It might be helpful for a maintainer to issue a policy > statement (preferably clearly recognizable as such) about this. Bug reports for unreleased versions of Emacs should go to emacs-devel and those for released versions to bug-gnu-emacs. This happens automatically if you use M-x report-emacs-bug (since emacs-pretest-bug is an alias for emacs-devel). If all messages sent to bug-gnu-emacs pass through the bug-tracker I think it will accumulate a lot of crud. I would suggest bug reports go just to the mailing list first then if they are good reports and not immediately fixable, the OP is encouraged by the maintainer (or others) to post the report to the tracker. Of course, this process could be bypassed but it might increase the signal to noise ratio. -- Nick http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob