From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Rogers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Cruise Control to mitigate failure in make bootstrap? Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:18 -0400 Message-ID: <18434.27514.348723.957389@rgrjr.rgrjr.dyndns.org> References: <20080412104858.GD1781@muc.de> <4800C111.3090407@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208118154 21487 80.91.229.12 (13 Apr 2008 20:22:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 13 22:23:07 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jl8jC-0000Mj-S9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:23:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jl8iY-0002t3-KH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jl8iT-0002pY-J5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jl8iS-0002nm-PI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jl8iS-0002nY-Jc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:20 -0400 Original-Received: from c-98-216-94-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.216.94.251] helo=rgrjr.dyndns.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jl8iS-0005Bo-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:20 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 27449 invoked by uid 89); 13 Apr 2008 20:22:18 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO rgr.rgrjr.dyndns.org) (192.168.57.1) by home with SMTP; 13 Apr 2008 20:22:18 -0000 Original-Received: by rgr.rgrjr.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id A90064B5FC; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:22:18 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4800C111.3090407@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 23.0.60.2 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95122 Archived-At: From: Jason Rumney Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:02:57 +0100 Alan Mackenzie wrote: > I have used this product in one of my day jobs, and it works well. I suspect it works well in a day job environment, when you are working for the same 8 hours a day as the other developers on the project. I suspect it works less well for Free Software where volunteers might have a half hour to spare so they fix a bug, don't have time to do a full bootstrap before checking in, then might not see any mail generated because they are offline for the weekend. Another case is where a commit breaks on a platform the committer does not have; the smoke system alerts potential fixers in a timely way. This seems more likely on a Free project than a proprietary one. FWIW, the Perl community calls this "smoke testing" [1], and has been using it successfully for a number of subprojects [2]. I can't claim great familiarity with it, but I think the value increases with the coverage of the automated test suite. -- Bob Rogers http://rgrjr.dyndns.org/ [1] http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?smoke_testing [2] E.g. http://smoke.parrotcode.org/smoke/